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Offline Mklangelo

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Is this a queen cell?
« on: May 08, 2007, 05:48:38 pm »



It's a bit blurry but dead center about 1/3 from the top.  Another one to the right and lower on the frame.


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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 05:51:13 pm »
no, THOSE are queen cells, if my eyes aren't cheating me, i see 4, no 5
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2007, 05:54:02 pm »
3 in the bottom 3rd and one in the top 3rd....where is 5?  this would make a good kids game :-)
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2007, 05:58:20 pm »
I do see 5.  This can occur regardless of having a laying queen?
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 06:01:14 pm »
i see even more 8 :shock:
although for 4 i'm not sure, so..it's 4 in a way, the "i'm-not-so-sure-about" are blue!

yes it can happen, it's called either swarming or supercedure, from positioning of them and number (hopefully only 4) it's more likely a supercedure. but still, check if they are in a swarm mood

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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 06:08:53 pm »
Well, they are extremely active.  A bit more noisy then I recall last time.  They really got noisy when I smoked em'.  But for the most part seemed oblivious to my presence.

What exactly would I have been looking for to determine a swarm mode?  They have plenty of frames to work on.  A minimum of 3 or 4 frames in each hive with virtually no comb drawn.  Would they still be capping and tending to brood if they planned on swarming?  These re newly installed packages as of the 23rd of April.
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 06:10:31 pm »
two of your blues are the ones i picked.
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 06:23:57 pm »
like i said, they're most probably superceding the queen. swarm cells, if i'm not mistaken, are more likely to be found on the edge of the comb-at the bottom. and, if they're still building comb, it's a good sign they're not intending to swarm.
what else..what else indicates a swarm, or not..ha, wait a few days, if you find a bunch of bees on a tree branch, it's a VERY good sign they intended to swarm, LOL :-D

out of 5 hives, one of mine was superceded, one is being and one ...well i screwed up one supercedure.. :-\ :oops: so..3 out of 5
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2007, 06:28:54 pm »
Most often swarm cells will be down on the lower 1/4th to the bottom. This doesn't mean they will not swarm. One sure sign of swarming mood "IF" every thing else is ok, is a very large slowdown in the field bees going from and returning to the hive.
I had a small swarm come from one of mine yesterday and they left about 3 pm today.
I have got to go into the hive tomorrow and reconfigure it to a 10 frame job. I don't have any ready supers and don't want to split it now that it swarmed.
Found two virgin queens on the entrance board this morning.
I have two deep with new foundation, so one of those should do the job. :roll:
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2007, 07:09:04 pm »
All three hives are foraging like crazy.  Loads of activity at the entrances.  Pollen coming in.
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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 02:10:43 pm »
I Think your fine. I like to think Superceding is a good thing. If they think they need a new queen, they probably are right.

The chances that your hive will swarm your first year will swarm is around 15%. However, the first year I had my hive, of course my chances fell in that 15%. Now I have to make another split within a couple of weeks after I just made another split about a 2 weeks ago. Probably another split after that. Then i'll leave them build up for the winter. Gah! Three more hives added to my beeyard from one. I shouldn't have lent them all of their honey last year... Anyways, I will probably do it again, and triple of quadruple all of my hives again the next year. Then i'll have... ehhh... 16 hives in 2 years from just 1 hive to begin with. NOT counting the rest of the hives I have. I'm going to have to open up a loan...

Anyways, I wouldn't crush those queen cells, its most likely supercedure. You might end up with a queenless hive if you crush them.

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Re: Is this a queen cell?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2007, 08:00:22 pm »
Quote from: Shizzell on May 09, 2007, 02:10:43 pm
I Think your fine. I like to think Superceding is a good thing. If they think they need a new queen, they probably are right.

The chances that your hive will swarm your first year will swarm is around 15%. However, the first year I had my hive, of course my chances fell in that 15%. Now I have to make another split within a couple of weeks after I just made another split about a 2 weeks ago. Probably another split after that. Then i'll leave them build up for the winter. Gah! Three more hives added to my beeyard from one. I shouldn't have lent them all of their honey last year... Anyways, I will probably do it again, and triple of quadruple all of my hives again the next year. Then i'll have... ehhh... 16 hives in 2 years from just 1 hive to begin with. NOT counting the rest of the hives I have. I'm going to have to open up a loan...

Anyways, I wouldn't crush those queen cells, its most likely supercedure. You might end up with a queenless hive if you crush them.

As Micheal Bush once had in is signature: "All things work if you let them"

I Love to Ramble, as you can probably see.

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I've decided to just let the bees handle their business.
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