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Offline PhilK

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Re: Wiring foundationless frames
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2016, 01:46:29 am »
Wiring is a hassle - it takes time and patience, and I'd love to be able to omit that extra job if it were feasible - but on balance I think it's a job worth doing, for it only needs to be done once in the lifetime of a frame ... that is, providing that you don't put that frame in a solar wax melter.
What does putting them into a solar wax melter do to the wires?

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Re: Wiring foundationless frames
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2016, 03:11:11 am »
Good to see the frame without attachment to the sides and bottom because that is what I have on the 3 frames in my brood box and there appears to be no urgency from the girls to do anything about it.  At least I know that I can support the comb with pins until they get around to doing the job.

Thanks for the video links and ideas

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Re: Wiring foundationless frames
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2016, 05:05:49 am »
Wiring is a hassle - it takes time and patience, and I'd love to be able to omit that extra job if it were feasible - but on balance I think it's a job worth doing, for it only needs to be done once in the lifetime of a frame ... that is, providing that you don't put that frame in a solar wax melter.
What does putting them into a solar wax melter do to the wires?

As the sun is frequently noticeable by it's absence here in the UK, I personally use steam rather than solar energy to recover wax - but I'm told by those who have tried this, that monofilament fishing line will stretch with the heat generated inside a solar wax melter.

Using wire - as opposed to fishing line - would be one way around this problem, but you'll need to use those little brass inserts to prevent the wire from cutting into the wood.  One reason that I use 50-60 lb bs monofilament fishing line is because it's larger diameter won't cut into the wood - the other reason being that the bees can't get their mandibles around that diameter in order to chew it out.   Apparently, much lighter gauge fishing line (20-30 lbs) can be chewed - but I learned from the experiences of others to avoid the lighter stuff.

The above video is very informative - the only comment I'd add with regard to 'crush and strain' when using wired foundationless, is that it's easy enough to slide a knife along the fishing line to release the comb in sections.  A little more care is needed than without wires, that's all.

SlickMick - the guy in the video advised against using pins, as they localise the stress in a small area at the edge.  I guess as a temporary fix, you could always run a loop of fishing line right around the outside of the frame, to give the comb some temporary support ?

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Re: Wiring foundationless frames
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2016, 09:53:08 am »
      Never had much success with pins or fishing lines. To help support Foundationless comb in Hoffman frames. Never tried sticks for support like the first video I put up.


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Re: Wiring foundationless frames
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2016, 09:26:39 am »
Yes,LJ, I did notice that. I intend now to wire the frames prior to using them. Checking on the three I have in the brood chamber today the girls have started to attach the comb to the sidebars from the top down. So I guess it will take them some time to complete seeing as they have been working on since October last year.

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