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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2015, 10:17:47 PM »
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Yes, you have it correct.  I get a lot of things wrong but some how survive.  I believe it is cause people help by getting me strait.  Now maby others know what I was trying to say.  I remember watching this movie as a kid and then not too long ago, looking it up and watching it with my brother.  It was hard to look up cause I couldn't remember the proper name then either.  Maby from here on out it will stick.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2015, 09:43:38 PM »
Joe, get you a generator and a propane conversion kit. I have one for my generator and tons of propane bottles filled. Propane lasts for ever as well.

I have been looking at something happening for a few years now. Economic collapse, dollar collapse, power grid fried, earthquakes, ect. Right now my biggest concern is just making it home.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2015, 12:00:09 AM »
Joe, get you a generator and a propane conversion kit. I have one for my generator and tons of propane bottles filled. Propane lasts for ever as well.

I have been looking at something happening for a few years now. Economic collapse, dollar collapse, power grid fried, earthquakes, ect. Right now my biggest concern is just making it home.


   A little concerned about how much money that is being printed right now to pay debts, with nothing to back it up.. is that why Russia, the Arab Emirates, China, etc, etc are attempting to get out of the American dollar, despite the fact its the reserve currency?
    Didnt Germany lose the reserve status for printing money with nothing to back it? 
   Didnt Britain lose the reserve status for printing money with nothing to back it?
   Maybe someone could explain to me why WE wont lose it as well? In laymans terms?  no, in idiots terminology?    :embarassed:
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2015, 01:17:55 PM »
Joe, get you a generator and a propane conversion kit. I have one for my generator and tons of propane bottles filled. Propane lasts for ever as well.

I have been looking at something happening for a few years now. Economic collapse, dollar collapse, power grid fried, earthquakes, ect. Right now my biggest concern is just making it home.

Great idea. Just remember that there is a power loss when you use propane to run a engine. Just take that into account when you are calculating your load. If I remember the loss is about 4%. Does not sound like much but when you add in refrigerator startup loads and light watage per bulb and well water pump load you can trip breakers and possible fry you alternator on the generator.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2015, 02:14:53 PM »
  Those that experience a disaster and come out the other side still breathing need to be listened to. They are the expert's on what can go wrong and what has worked.

  Then there are those that actively seek out the advise of others and incorporate that advise into a plan of action.

  They take that plan of action and test it for weakness, revise it, and test it again. The one goal is to ensure the safety of yourself and of your loved ones! Knowledge, goals, plan of action, the means to implement that plan, AND what to do after the disaster.

  The fact you are asking the questions indicates you have a concern for the future and are seeking knowledge.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2015, 02:28:55 PM »
Silverback, you should go into your profile and enter your location.

Good observations in your posting.  Haven't followed the link yet, but about to do so.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2015, 06:02:23 PM »
>Didnt Britain lose the reserve status for printing money with nothing to back it?

Eventually.  Great Britain's money WAS silver and gold for many years.  Then tied to gold for many years.  The problem with that is that you back it with that and then some foreign entity decides to collect the silver and gold and goes after the currency to buy more silver and gold until you run out.  For many years their money  was just silver.  In 1158 they made it 92.5% silver (sterling which made a more durable coin) but then they started debasing it in 1526 and by 1544 it was 33.3% silver and the rest was copper.  In 1663 they unofficially tied it to gold.  In 1816 the gold standard became official.  Since most of Europe would wantonly print money those countries' bonds were often losing value because the interest rate was lower than the inflation rate.  This caused the Rothschilds to insist that in order to sell bonds every European country had to issue them in British Pounds.

That says something about currency retaining value...  Eventually they tied the pound to the German Mark and later the the Euro.

Anyway, that's just the British pound...

Let's talk about the supply of money.  The supply changes by more methods than printing.  A bank, through "fractional reserve banking" can take a deposit of $100 and lend out $90 of it.  Someone takes that $90 and put is in the bank and that back lends out $81... etc. etc. etc.  Until that $100 becomes several hundred dollars.

Money is a slippery thing...
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2015, 07:56:20 PM »
Money is a slippery thing...


  Yeah, I noticed that, it keeps slipping out of my wallet and into my wifes hands...
   I dont use a bank much anymore. I keep a debit card with a couple grand in the account, everything else I have is in cash, gold, silver, land, and guns... guns retain their value.. if made illegal they will have GREAT value. I bet I can make a fortune on them!
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2015, 01:04:14 PM »

The "Are you a prepper" subject has been a fun topic for me over the last few years because I got to see such a wide range of opinions. Its funny because I never gave any thought about prepping before. Sure, I had talked with people before who were "Survivalist" and wanted to move to a cabin in the wilderness of Idaho with 10 years worth of food and a million pounds of ammo. I thought they were quacks but hey, who am I to say you're wrong, it just wasn't my cup of tea. I can hunt, fish, grow a garden and take care of my family. I got guns and bullets... who's worried? If we have a collapse, I got it covered..

Then I had an interesting conversation with a "Prepper"... It went something like this....

He was talking about an economic collapse, which I do believe could happen. I dont put anything past those lunatics we have in office. He asked what I would do if it happened. I told him my standard line about being an outdoorsman and here is what he said. He said "lets break it down and see how your argument really plays out".

"Here is the scenario. One of two things have happened. Either a total meltdown of the US economy or just a complete stoppage of government handouts. you take your pick. either way, there is a huge amount of people who are now angry, hungry and desperate. correct?"

Sure, I said

"And those people are going to cause great havoc very quickly, including mass riots, home invasions, murder and robbery, correct?"

Sure, I said again

"and with 8 out of 10 people in America (true statistic) receiving some form of government check (disability, state or federal retirement, SSI, welfare..) dont you think the streets would soon be filled with a lot of angry, desperate and hungry people?"

Yeah..

"And the police and sheriff officers will all show up to work every day to fight this instead of staying home to protect their own families, right?"

Uh.. probably for a while.. I said.

"Now, you said that you are an outdoorsman who can provide for your family, right?"

That's right! I said.

"You can hunt, fish and grow a nice garden.."

Sure can!

"And you already have the seed, fertilizer and garden tools stored safely at home because the co-op and the Wal-Mart just got looted and have none available. Not to mention that the city is unsafe to go to because of the rioting and crime."

Uh.....

"And you have a plan for what you will eat while you wait to plant your garden because this happened in October and you are almost a year away from harvesting anything from the garden you haven't planted yet."

Uh...

"And you have a tractor or tiller in working order and plenty of fuel put back to run it for breaking the ground."

uh..

"And you have someone to guard that garden while you are out hunting and fishing, guard it with deadly force if necessary, because there are a lot of hungry people out there that will stop at nothing to bring food back to their starving children."

uh...

"And you have the equipment and supplies to can or preserve those awesome vegetables so they will last."

OK.. so maybe the garden wont work too well.. I can still hunt and fish.

"OK. and you have someone to guard your home and protect your family from theft and home invasions while you are sitting on a lake or in a treestand?"

uh...

"And you can walk to these hunting and fishing spots because fuel is almost impossible to find or afford?"

well..

"And you have plenty of ammo, fishing and hunting equipment, ziplock bags, freezer space, and any other thing you would need that you would normally stop at Wal-mart to pick up?"

Maybe..

"and you catch fish every time you go and you are such an awesome hunter you take large game on every trip?"

uh.. sometimes..

"And you have a plan on how to hunt and fish when every other person is out there doing the same thing because they all had the same idea? People with no hunting experience, walking all over the woods, trying to kill something to eat. Many of them desperate, hungry and armed."

I didn't think about that...

"And you feel that the game will not only remain in the area but will not be killed off and become hard to find with all of the people now depending on them for food every day?"

well.. I never thought it out quite like that...

"The problem is people put modern, safe behavior patterns into disaster scenarios and they forget that the absolute safest place to be during a disaster, whether its short lived or long term, is at your house, protecting what is yours. In order to do that, you need to put some things back. Food, water, ammo, gear.. things like that. Another mistake people make is they say it cant happen. Look at what is happening in Europe right now. Read up on the fall of the Roman empire. Saying something "cant happen" or "shouldn't happen" or "has never happened" doesn't mean it wont happen. One minute, you are dogging the government saying what a bunch of idiots they are and then you say the government wont let this happen or will take care of us if it does. Make up your mind. Are they idiots or saviors? What does it hurt to put back 6 months of food, some ammo and some gear?"

I became a prepper that day. Maybe not the live in a bunker kind.. Call me a prepper lite  LOL

I owe it to my wife and my children to be prepared for anything. I dont plan of having a wreck but I have car insurance. I have no intention of dying anytime soon yet I pay life insurance every month. I put money in savings for some unknown emergency and I think nothing of it.

If I spend money here and there putting a years worth of food back, a bunch of ammo and gear and things I think I might need if disaster strikes and nothing ever happens, well... I still have all that food, ammo and gear. I rotate out the food and ammo so nothing gets wasted. However, if something does happen, I am better prepared to deal with it and can look my family in the eye and know I did something to protect them. The last thing i ever want to do is watch my family starve to death or be killed by some welfare creep who ran out of handouts.

In other words, if I'm wrong, no big deal. If you say it wont happen and you're wrong... well, dont show up at my house looking for a handout. All you will see is a gun barrel.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2015, 01:21:51 PM »
That's worth reading a couple of times, Hi-Tech.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2015, 01:31:49 PM »
The "Prepper" who convinced me in the last post is a good friend of mine who is a serious prepper now. He just spent a week in Idaho at a "Bugout Location Defense" class taught by former SEALS. I didn't go but it sounded fun..  LOL  Ill just say lots of lead down range happened..

I have studied this for several years now and KathyP mentioned a book named "one second after". This is the book that started it for me, got me to thinking.. Since then I have read probably 30 other books on the subject, some fiction, some non-fiction. Some were quack fear mongering but I learned a little from each. The one reoccurring problem that they all portrayed, and which I still see no good solution for is the relatives that might show up for food and protection and the families with kids that might show up. Both would be hard to turn away and almost impossible to use deadly force on...

My motto is be prepared, if even only a little, and pray hard that it never happens...
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2015, 03:12:05 PM »
Hi-tech, was your friend at Clint Smith's Thunder Ranch?  I'd like o go there, but would have trouble Justifying the expence to my wife (or she'd want a week at a spa for herself) :grin:
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2015, 03:14:16 PM »
Never mind.  I looked up Thunder Ranch and it's in eastern Oregon ....close to Idaho, but not there  :oops:
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2015, 03:34:36 PM »
TR is close to Irwin and not far, as the crow flies, from where I bought my bug out property. 

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2015, 03:44:13 PM »
I looked at TR's class schedule.  Nothing like survival training.  Mostly shooting skills.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2015, 03:48:33 PM »
This is what my buddy went to. I though it was a week but it was 3 days...
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2015, 03:49:39 PM »
Sounds like we need a Prepper board... LOL

Prepping.. Another great reason for natural beekeeping methods  LOL
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2015, 10:22:20 AM »
"bump"

One thing I've noticed with "some" preppers is they will get well prepared, then feel good about it. After a period of time goes by they start regretting thinking like that because nothing has happened.

Having some food and such put back is just good sense and good insurance. The only "Hunger Games" I saw was a rerun of probably the first one. The alcoholic trainer told that girl something very valuable. He said when they portal(?) yall to the supplies don't run to them run away. It'll be a blood bath at the beginning. The same can be applied to a grid down scenario. It would be very dangerous to think you could run to the local big box store to buy/loot and return home safely. A small wound could turn out to be a big issue.

Go on you tube or Google the economic collapse of Argentine, or Russia, or Cuba, or Brazil, or Hungry, or whoever. You'll be able to pick up on some first hand experiences. Another good book to read would be "The failure of civility" by Lawson and someone else. Good advice, good fictional events.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2015, 12:00:33 PM »
We live way out in the bush and totally off grid. So huge power outages and disruptions to travel won't affect us greatly. I agree with Michael, in a survival situation a .22 long rifle is the ultimate firearm. Will kill anything you want to eat and can protect your loved ones if needed.

 

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