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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2015, 07:33:40 PM »
Will I just picked up my SAP pan I had made. Bartered for it. Now I have bees in summer and SAP in winter. I can use this for trade and barter. One thing that won't go away real quick is peoples sweet tooth. Now to get my green house done. 30 foot long with heated raised beds. So can grow veg all winter long.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2015, 08:01:44 PM »
Will I just picked up my SAP pan I had made. Bartered for it. Now I have bees in summer and SAP in winter. I can use this for trade and barter. One thing that won't go away real quick is peoples sweet tooth. Now to get my green house done. 30 foot long with heated raised beds. So can grow veg all winter long.

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Duhhhhh.  What is a SAP pan?  You have sugar maples there or something?
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2015, 07:43:24 PM »
We do have some maples but none big enough to tap. We do have very large sycamore trees that I plan to tap. Same as doing maples. The syrup made from it has two flavors. Early season syrup taste similar to honey. Late season syrup has a butterscotch flavor . I love the late season syrup. My grandmother made it when I was a child. You can get 1-10 gals SAP per tree per day during good run. Takes about 40 to 60 gals SAP to make one gal syrup depending upon the sugar content.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2015, 09:08:28 PM »
John I didn't know that about the sycamore trees.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2015, 10:50:18 PM »
John, that's very interesting.  My wife is from Connecticut and her fsther used to tap maple trees there.  My understanding is it takes 28-30 gallons of sap to make 1 gallon of maple syrup, so it must be thicker to start than sap from a sycamore.  You learn so much good stuff on this forum!
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2015, 06:29:06 PM »
John, that's very interesting.  My wife is from Connecticut and her fsther used to tap maple trees there.  My understanding is it takes 28-30 gallons of sap to make 1 gallon of maple syrup, so it must be thicker to start than sap from a sycamore.  You learn so much good stuff on this forum!

 Maple has 4-7 percent sugar depending on several variables. Sycamore have between 3-6 percent.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2015, 07:31:09 PM »
I also find the sycamore thing interesting.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2015, 07:59:18 AM »
John,
How big do the sycamores need to be to tap them? I have 4 of them in my back yard that are around 1 foot in diameter or bigger. Is that large enough?
Jim
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2015, 10:30:59 PM »
John,
How big do the sycamores need to be to tap them? I have 4 of them in my back yard that are around 1 foot in diameter or bigger. Is that large enough?
Jim

That size you could easily tap them with 2-3 taps each. Space about 10-12 inches apart. Make sure that you have a root arm under the taps for greater draw. Come up about 3-4 feet off the ground. I hoping for some cold nights near freezing with days in the 40-50 so the tap will flow. Due this before the start to bud in your area. Back in the homesteddays people used sycamore trees for a pure ssource of water. When you collect the SAP you need to freeze it and pull the top layer of ice off  don't let it freeze completely  this will help consetrate the sugar. SAP will only last 5 days before turning cloudy and spoiling if you don't have enough to boil down after you concetrate it then freeze it solid till you have enough.


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P.s. cook it down outside or you will be cleaning and painting your whole house inside. When you do it outside look for the neighbors kids coming thinking your making peanutbrittle.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2015, 12:32:14 PM »
Thanks John.
I think I saw the taps at our local brew it, wine making store when I was there last year. I will have to stop by and see if I can get a dozen. What months do you tap the trees.
I cannot do it right now, still trying to get my workshop and the fence around the new house at the farm finished. But I definitely want to try this. It is now on my bucket list.  :cheesy:
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2015, 02:18:34 PM »
No. its starts normally in late dec or Jan. look for nights near freezing and day time highs around 40-50/ that's when the sap starts heading up to get the trees ready for budding out. I'm looking for closer to jan. due to the warm weather we are having here in the south.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2015, 02:37:49 PM »
How often do you have to move the taps to keep the tree from attaching to them?
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2015, 04:26:30 PM »
This is fascinating to me. We have several huge old sycamores and few large old maples. Hoping to get into it in the next spring.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2015, 06:16:30 PM »
Thanks John
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2015, 12:31:28 AM »
How often do you have to move the taps to keep the tree from attaching to them?
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You don't move the taps till after they bud. Then you tap a tree every other year to give it time to heal. Then never in the  same spot. You only drill in about two inches on angle up. So you never hit heart wood.  Wish I had maples big enough. You can tap red maples, blackwalnut, any sugar maple, I don't like birch. To bitter.

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2015, 12:46:00 AM »
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Thanks for answering the question and also the added information.
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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2015, 01:41:38 PM »
Where is the best place to get taps, etc...?

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Re: So, SHTF are you ready to bug-out or hunker down?
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2015, 07:40:23 PM »
Online or at Lowes,home depot. I use 1/2 inch plastic hose barbs . the ones they use for misters on patios. Then get some tees and water lines to fit. Then some j hook screws to hang buckets from then run lines into top of buckets. Check them daily. They may fill fast.

John

 

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