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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. => Topic started by: bigbearomaha on September 26, 2009, 11:07:30 pm
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I recently heard of Tanging, the act of banging two metal items, such as a pot and a metal spoon together when a swarm is on a tree or even in the air. Researching the phenomenon, it appears to be clouded primarily in 'myth' yet I have heard first hand reports of it's success in modern times.
I fully intend to try this method in the future and would like to hear other persons stories of it's success ( or not) as well.
I have heard reasoning for it's success range from the vibrations sound like thunder, stirring a 'weather alert' in the bees, encouraging them to seek immediate shelter (which you as the bee handler willingly provide) I have also heard the vibrations from the banging ( tanging) somehow affect the bees equilibrium or some such, causing them to seek 'stable' and 'safe' lodgings (again, willingly provided by the bee handler.)
What say you?
Big Bear
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Myth or not, I have done it many times and will continue to do so. I only do it to get them to land, I have never heard of using it for a swarm that has already landed.
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I have never seen my bees fly back to the hives as they are emptying dumpsters over at the recycling place next to the farm, while making boom and crashing sounds.
I know when I hear thunder in the distance, a bum rush is seen as the bees make a dash back to the hives. I have never seen this when someone is banging pots, etc. So why would a swarm be so easily fooled into think this? One minute....ok, girls, all is clear, lets go....and 2 minutes later outside the hive, they are grounded due to artificial thunder??? I don't buy it.
I think bees are way more advanced and in toon with the barometric pressures as fronts approach, static electricity in the air, temp changes, and other cues of any impending thunderstorm.
As for iddee....I hear he just likes to run around the backyard naked banging on pots and pans.... :lau:
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Normal reaction from a dang yankee...... :roll:
When a swarm is in the air, drumming, "tanging", will cause them to land 90+% of the time. Why, I never asked them. Never really cared, as long as I got the swarm.
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I never seen a swarm NOT land.....and so you can put me down for 100% success WITHOUT banging on pots.... ;)
And I bet that same success if I take my left thumb and stick it in my ear..... :lau:
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I'm with Iddee on this one,I had two swarms land by this method over the summer.Call us crazy,but I will take this method over the left thumb in the ear. That would just be silly.
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The left thumb in ear method only works if you pull your left arm behind your head and put your thumb in you right ear. Of course, if it's a really big swarm or they're way up in the air, you should use both thumbs in both ears.
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Actually, I'm very glad this was thread was started. When I was a child, I saw family members do this lots of times. I thought this was probably a local belief and I'm glad to know other areas of the US do it also.
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I have had good success using this method. I have also had success spraying a swarm with water. Either method works very well.
Coge
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Hello,
I haven't had the chance to try it out yet, but the rationale I heard from a beek here was that making a loud noise covers over the sound of the queen. They can't follow the queen so their only option is to land. They suggested using a chainsaw or something loud like that. And banging on an empty box is meant to attract them, because they supposedly recognise the sound of hollow wood, like the hollow tree they are seeking.
Mind you, I'm not smart enough to read a bee's mind.
Lone
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I'm with Iddee on this one,I had two swarms land by this method over the summer.Call us crazy,but I will take this method over the left thumb in the ear. That would just be silly.
Not at all Ken. You see, bees will then follow your lead after seeing you with your left finger in one ear, they will then put a finger in an ear also. Since with all the banging going on, and the bees not able to follow the queen by "hearing" her, they can listen with one ear much better. We all know that bees fly in a clockwise manner, so blocking the left ear as a bee flies in a large circle allows them to concentrate the right ear inwards to where the queen is. They hear much better that way. And if they do get sprayed down by a bottle of water, they will not get water in both ears that way. This is all coming together nicely.... X:X
When you have successfully caught the swarm, there is a follow up procedure called the "tang-tang". It is tangeuray gin mixed with orange tang. So here is to all the tangers out there.... :cheer: May I suggest a strong drink for some of you...... :pinkelephant:
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Hello,
I haven't had the chance to try it out yet, but the rationale I heard from a beek here was that making a loud noise covers over the sound of the queen. They can't follow the queen so their only option is to land. They suggested using a chainsaw or something loud like that. And banging on an empty box is meant to attract them, because they supposedly recognise the sound of hollow wood, like the hollow tree they are seeking.
Mind you, I'm not smart enough to read a bee's mind.
Lone
Well, with bees supposed to be 'deaf', I'm not sure they are actually 'hearing' it. But, bees respond to air vibrations different than we do. technically, people 'hearing' is just our brains interpreting air vibrations hitting our eardrums anyway.
bees may not not 'interpret air vibrations the same way we do, but they interpret them and respond.
One person here has used tanging to coax them out of the air on several occassions he says. Another woman says her brother has used tanging with bees already on a tree branch or other locations and it motivated them to move toward the ground, which is where he had the box. She claims to have sat and watched the whole ordeal on a number of occasions.
On internet searches, one will come across a drawing of a colonial man tanging at bees already on a branch in order to get them to drop from the branch down to his basket on the ground.
Big Bear
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>>>>It is tangeuray gin mixed with orange tang. So here is to all the tangers out there.... cheer May I suggest a strong drink for some of you.....<<<<
After that post, I'm not sure you left any for us. I may have to break into my moonshine just to keep up with you. :-*
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>>>>It is tangeuray gin mixed with orange tang. So here is to all the tangers out there.... cheer May I suggest a strong drink for some of you.....<<<<
After that post, I'm not sure you left any for us. I may have to break into my moonshine just to keep up with you. :-*
Don't blame me...it was a bunch of drunk southerners banging on pots after weddings that probably started this whole thing anyways. They just carried over the wedding celebration into a few days, or possibly even a week, and this is how many myths are started. :-D
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So lets recap....
90% or better of swarms will land after banging on pots. This still leaves open the discussion of what happens to the other 10%.... :-Ds
Spraying down a swarm will also be effective.
Bees do not "hear" the queen in swarm flight with all the banging.
Bees do not "hear" but react to vibrations. a radical concept for sure.
Now iddee....if I have not left you anything to comment on, please do have a drink. Sit back. Enjoy! I know I am... :roll: I'm learning so much.
a wild question...... If a queen walks into a bar and pipes, and at the bar drinking tang-tang, is a beekeeper and a bee, ....which one hears her and which one does not? Which one reacts to only vibrations?
Come-on iddee.....have another one. It is raining, and I'll probably not be working bees today. And the good game. the colts, in not on till tonight.... ;)
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Actually, I am trying to encourage 'serious' discussion of the topic. if you are not going to contribute to that, I ask please don't keep posting scornful or making fun of the discussion.
If you are among those who considers it myth, saying such is all that's necessary. Thank you.
Big Bear
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Actually, I am trying to encourage 'serious' discussion of the topic. if you are not going to contribute to that, I ask please don't keep posting scornful or making fun of the discussion.
If you are among those who considers it myth, saying such is all that's necessary. Thank you.
Big Bear
Oh you demand serious comments. How's this?
It's called a myth by many, as YOUR title claims.
I thinks it's bogus that a queen can not "HEAR" other bees flying in a swarm due to some guy running around banging on pots and pans. Maybe you can look up the word pheromone and actually.....no seriously, discuss how bees track each other in a swarm.
Bees do in fact HEAR sound, which happens to be "VIBRATIONS". That is what "sound" is for Pete's sake. What? Because they have no ears, that they can not hear?
I believe that all swarms come down. Almost all swarms when first issued, will land within 100 yards of the colony. So whether one bangs on pots or not, swarms will land. And I still believe me sticking my thumb in my ear is as effective.
I give much in my amazement to what bee can do. Absolutely fascinating creatures. I know they can sense an approaching storm front, can feel barometric changes, and feel electric static in the air. I am not one to think that they are so easily fooled by banging on pots.
I've had bees actually stay up in trees for days through thunderstorms. But I am supposed to consider that storm had a weaker effect then some pot banging.
I actually thought this was some badly timed "April Fools" joke for the new beekeepers to enjoy. But this whole thing is sad to think of some of the comments that were presented.
I thought it was hilarious and joined in. But now you are demanding I can or can not express my opinion, take part in this hilarious discussion, or comment how I feel beyond simply acknowledging it a myth or not....get real. This is a discussion group.
Here is a challenge,.....Lets have a video contest this coming year. Lets see how many verifiable videos we can make PROVING this? Seems we have filmed about everything else. Why no video of someone sitting under a tree with some pots and pans, and seeing if the bees in a swarm will respond on cue to a swarm box below. Don't you think this has been called a "myth" long enough?
And to think I've been climbing up a ladder after swarms all these years. I'll try sitting around banging on pots next year. Just be serious now, and let me know how long I should bang on pots before I give up and climb the ladder and knock them into a box?
And please let me know of any potential "problems" that may be used as an excuse in "why" the bees did not go into my box or come lower after I banged on the pots. Do I need particular pots? Cast iron, steel....come on now, do not let me hang here. I look forward to banging on pots next spring as I go about collecting swarms.
Let me know of any further demands on the subject. I'll see what I can do.
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On internet searches, one will come across a drawing of a colonial man tanging at bees already on a branch in order to get them to drop from the branch down to his basket on the ground.
Big Bear
If I showed you text or even a picture of a colony headed by a "king" or a map of the world depicting it as "flat"....doesn't really mean much does it... :-D
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no, I did not suggest you could not express your opinion, please learn to read without becoming emotional. I asked for serious discussion on a topic that hasn't been given a lot of it over time, tat's not a difficult request now is it?
If you choose to belittle other peoples ideas simply because you beleive you opinion can be the only correct one, I feel sorry for you.
I started this thread, I feel it is an interesting 'side venue to pursue. no one asked you to hijack it because you think it is silly. If you dislike it so much, you can be accommodated simply by not visiting it. That's called personal choice and civil behavior.
All I am 'asking' you to do is keep to the topic. if you want to be childish and mock the notion, I'm sure no one would stop you from starting your own thread dedicated to contentious on the subject.
On another note, for the rest of the folks interested in actually discussing the topic seriously, I have a theory. Is it possible, with new studies showing bees might be able to 'hear' of a sort certain frequencies, that perhaps the old timers habit of 'tanging' could have, by sheer luck, found a frequency once in a while that bees are responsive to? Causing them to settle sooner, rather than later? This could take into consideration both cause and effect as well as coincidence.
Big Bear
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This is mind blowing! You suggest that if one considers it a myth, that you just want one to acknowledge that, and forego any discussions. Then accuse me reading more into it.
Then you turn around and claim I believe my own opinion is the only correct one and that you feel sorry for me, which is demeaning and doing exactly what you claim others are doing.
I'm not belittling anyone.
You wanted serious discussion.
I made statements as to whether bees hear sound, and called into question other comments. But you ignore that. And just went on the offensive again, now throwing in "childish" among other things.
Feeling sorry for me in assuming my thoughts, calling someone childish....all from the angle of incorrectly suggesting someone else was doing exactly what you are doing......your not a liberal leftist are you.... :-D
Please do not act all righteous and suggesting civil behavior....after what you just posted.
You did not offer one rebuttal on anything I said. How about you getting serious, and if you can not further the discussion with intelligent discussions, then how about just stopping. Oh wait, that is what you were suggesting.
Never mind..... :roll:
Discussions are here to be debated. To agree or disagree. That is how people learn. Makes no difference who started the thread. You do not own it. It is here for all to comment. When someone makes a comment that is questionable or is outright wrong, then it should be pointed out as such. Not ignored as if stepping on another persons toes is a personal attack. Way to personal feelings that's for sure.
You commented about a colonial picture. I merely pointed out that I could pull out many colonial pictures and thoughts from the period that are far less than accurate. If you think that is attacking you, I am truly sorry.... ;)
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Do all swarms land??? I have seen them go from the hive to a hollow tree, non-stop. I have seen them come into sight from an unknown source, then continue on to an unknown destination. I'm sure you will say they landed somewhere, but if not within my grasp, I don't consider it landing.
Drumming seems to work well to get them out of the air and into a cluster, where I will have a chance to get them into a hive. After all, that is my goal. Why they do it doesn't interest me. Getting them into a hive does.
It only took scientists about 1,000 years to learn what grandmas knew. IE: Chicken soup eases cold symptoms. It made big headlines about 25 years ago, written just that way. Maybe in another 1,000 years scientists will learn why drumming "tanging" works. Until then, you will just have to have faith, or not use it. Your choice.
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how about this? if banging pots works for you, bang on. if it doesn't, don't bang. it's not rocket science folks.
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If a swarm is flying over heading to another destination,what have you got to lose?I tried following a few I saw and they got away. The next two I drummed(tanged) and they landed immediately.I really don't think my charming personality is why they stayed. :) I will always keep a pan or top board handy and something to pound on it with.If you don't at least try to land them,you have no one but yourself for not taking a chance on free bees.
Maybe next year we can try a more widespread tanging contest to see how many we can catch this way.
Maybe I'll make an entry on the calendar to see how many we can catch this way.Could be an interesting study!!(non scientific of course) ;)
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Maybe next year we can try a more widespread tanging contest to see how many we can catch this way.
I think that would be an interesting experiment. I for one, would be willing to give it a shot as I go to each swarm call, just to have a little fun and see what does ( or doesn't) happen.
Bjorn, I took your attitude as insulting and derogatory as it tended toward taking the discussion toward drinking and other unrelated discussion. if you have something interesting to add to the discussion, in terms of observations of it working, not working, theories on it either way, I would be glad to take them into consideration. Essentially, I just felt you were being rude and derisive in your first few posts, If I misinterpreted that, my apologies, but that is what I got from your posts.
Big Bear
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bigbearomaha, Please don't take anything seriously on this website or any website for that matter. I think this discussion is pretty interesting and I like a few joke once in a while...even when people make jokes on my own threads. Keep it up yea all!! :-D
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It's likely I am taking it "too seriously" I am a network tech and on the Linux/tech forums I usually frequent, there is little to no off topic 'social' chit chat. On those forums, that is akin to trying to 'steal' a thread and not looked upon well. So, It is in all likelihood you are right. I will try to 'relax' a bit more.
Big Bear
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bigbearomaha, Bjorn and I are always picking and teasing each other, so I guess I am as much to blame as anyone. You just have to overlook our jabs at and toward each other.We are actually friends, just like to have a little fun with the other one.
PS....Besides, He's a yankee. You can't expect much. :-D :evil:
Just had to get one last one in. :roll:
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We all strive to keep things on the light side here. if someones posts bother you ,you can put them on your ignore list.You have to be able to take a little ribbing here once in a while. a lot of us here have became good friends and toss a zinger at each other once in a while.It is all in good fun.
These guys laughed when I posted about panning in a swarm,but seriously,it was funny(no oxymoron intended).Fun can be interjected with serious conversation with no real harm done.
Now,has anyone else tanged in a swarm?I'm sure there are more stories out there. :shock:
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I remember that as a child no more than 10 we lived in the bush (at least 55 years ago). I recall my father getting very excited one day that there was a swarm of bees flying overhead and to grab something metal and to start banging it which we all did furiously as we raced through the scrub after the swarm. We were all told that all this noise sounds like thunder and the bees have to find a place to wait out the storm.
It must have landed at a reachable place because my father was able to hive it. I wasn't so lucky, being inflicted with a sting and bawling my head off in pain only to be told by my father that the bee was going to die so what did I have to cry about.
There you go! Tanging occured. Swarm landed. None of us had fingers from left hand in either ear.
Mick
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Most unusual. This subject came up this morning in Sunday school. An older lady, whose brother has kept bees since he was a kid was describing how her brother would start yelling to bring pots when he would see one of his hives swarming. She said it usually worked for him.
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i bang on a truck hood or grab a 22 and pop a couplea shots off works fo me
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bigbearomaha,
I'm glad you posted this topic...I'd never heard of "tanging" before.
I found the post to be very interesting..and I must admit somewhat entertaining :evil: :-D
Paul
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Most unusual. This subject came up this morning in Sunday school. An older lady, whose brother has kept bees since he was a kid was describing how her brother would start yelling to bring pots when he would see one of his hives swarming. She said it usually worked for him.
Ok, rast.... Red rover red rover, send rast on over..... :-D
The pot thing seem to me is three distinct areas.
1) Getting a swarming hive to land the swarm.
2) Getting a swarm to move lower from one branch, to a lower branch, if not all the way to the ground and into a hive
3) Stopping a swarm that is coming from somewhere and headed to somewhere else.
Lets tackle these one at a time. I'll go slow, since we still have some southern gentlemen lurking about (Ok, iddee....that was for you... :-D )
#1....someone sees a hive swarming. The beekeeper yells to "bring the pots". The swarm land on a branch within eyesight of the hive after the beekeeper goes bangin away.
Why would I think, or better yet, please convince me, that it was for the banging of the pots. Studies out of Cornell clearly has shown that a hive swarming, will almost always land within eyesight of the hive the swarm was issued.
Now, I understand that you did not suggest what happened AFTER the beekeeper called for the pots. It was a very short story void of many details other than an old beekeeper that would call for pots when seeing a hive in the act of swarming.
So what was he banging the pots for....
1) To get them to cluster
2) To get them to land at a lower height.
3) To go directly into a hive.
#1, has been clearly shown to happen for almost all swarms when first issued. In fact, a good beekeeper many times can find the original colony by knowing that most swarms intially land within 100 meters. And that was without any pots being banged.
I'll stop now in the interest of boring some or being called a know it all. Maybe we can explore this first option of the first set of numbered items.
We know that swarms will form a cluster outside the original hives almost always. Anyone have anything to add or suggest on this point?
I hope that once this topic point is finished, we can move onto claims that banging pots will cause a swarm to fly into a hive under the tree.
Comments?
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bigbearomaha,
I'm glad you posted this topic...I'd never heard of "tanging" before.
I found the post to be very interesting..and I must admit somewhat entertaining :evil: :-D
Paul
I agree Paul! I'm having a blast! :piano:
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From all reports I have heard and read, the 'tanging' somehow induces swarming bees to 'drop' from whatever altitude they are flying at or clustering at to find lower ground.
The 'tanger' takes advantage of that by having a box/hive/whatever placed beneath them so they end up in his/her possession.
My interest in this is that even in a myth, there is usually a grain of truth at it's center.
Is there perhaps a frequency that can cause bees to 'drop' by affecting their equilibrium or inducing 'fear' in the bees?
Was it coincidence that made people find this might work, leading to a general pot banging hullabaloo for centuries afterward, hoping to find that same frequency and have a colony almost literally 'drop' in their lap?
These 'myths' never come about for no reason whatsoever. It is just a matter of curiosity and armchair investigation to see what truth might lie behind the myth.
Big Bear
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Big Bear,
Can you pass on some of those reports. Except for some comments on the point #1 listed above in one of my previous posts about settling a hive that is in the act of swarming, and easily dismissed, I can not find much.
What reports are you talking about? Do they confirm or show anything in regards to #2 or #3?
I found one here on a witchcraft site, but it only has to do with landing a swarm from a hive in the act of swarming.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/TANGING_THE_BEES/id/187701
I did find this for "wu-tanging it"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wu-Tanging%20it
I found this also but again, it is to settle a swarm, to which a hive swarming will settle on their own.
http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/tanging
I can not find much more than a few references in getting a swarming hive to settle a swarm. So, maybe you can post some of those reports you keep mentioning.
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>>>>2) Getting a swarm to move lower from one branch, to a lower branch, if not all the way to the ground and into a hive<<<<
I have never heard that one. As stated before, all I have ever heard is getting them to land when they are airborne. As for leaving the hive, if it gets them to land at 6 feet, rather than 40 feet high, I will take it any day.
As I said above, I have seen them leave the hive and go directly to a hollow tree, up to a quarter mile away. They do not always land within a hundred meters of the hive.
In fact, I don't think bees do anything often enough to be predictable, so something with a track record of hundreds of years, I will follow. If it only gets the few that wouldn't otherwise land close, plus the ones that would have, it means more bees for me.
Now, what is the harm if we drummers are wrong? It certainly doesn't scare the swarm away, so why not do it? It's better than watching the occasional swarm that doesn't land close as it disappears across the tree tops.
PS. I googled "drumming bees". Here is what I got. Read to your little heart's content.
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,300,000 for drumming bees. (0.42 seconds)
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bjorn, I am pretty sure i mentioned earlier, I am referring to reports from people I have spoken to locally who told me of this phenomenon. keep up bubba.
If you are looking for scientific studies, then um, I guess when I said there isn't a lot of that to find, hence asking folks in here about it, that musta slipped by you as well.
Hello? hello? is this thing turned on? Can everyone in the back row hear me? Hmm Guess not.
Big Bear
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bigbearomaha, if you couldn't find much out there, maybe you should look for drumming, rather than tanging. 15 million hits on google is what I would call more than "not much".
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bigbearomaha, if you couldn't find much out there, maybe you should look for drumming, rather than tanging. 15 million hits on google is what I would call more than "not much".
iddee,
I'll give big bear credit, he does have the term correct. I can find the word "tanging" in regards to swarming bees at least a hundred years back.
I thought "drumming" was getting bees to move up and/or out of an old gum log?
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I have seen those hits for tanging on google search s well. many of them are duplicates from separate referral links, some of them are extremely limited in their context, and of course most of them are pretty much word of mouth reference.
I had seen some references to 'drumming' as another term for tanging and have been looking at those search results also, again, many are in the same context as the tanging results.
The few 'scientific' results I have found are related to studies on bee hearing for the most part and do not truly investigate tanging or drumming in itself.
Big Bear
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>>>>I thought "drumming" was getting bees to move up and/or out of an old gum log?<<<<
SEE, that's what you get for thinking. Haven't I warned you about that before? :evil:
Actually, most all the old legends have a half dozen or so names. Banging on pots and pans ain't no different. Location may have something to do with it, too.
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My great-grandfather kept bees in gums in Cartersville, Georgia, in the early 1900's. He farmed and sawmilled and the bees were a bi-product of the logging/sawmilling. He robbed with only a wad of smouldering rags (no veil, suit, smoker, hivetool, etc.). My Dad remembers his great-grandmother banging a pot with a spoon to bring a swarm back to the hive. He recalls that the swarm returned when this method was used.
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"I thinks it's bogus that a queen can not "HEAR" other bees flying in a swarm due to some guy running around banging on pots and pans"
I think that's why a chainsaw was suggested as a different method in bringing down a swarm, not so the queen can't hear but so the bees can't hear the queen. That was the theory, anyway. I agree that bees must be able to hear. We just hear vibrations too. I read somewhere that bees have a tympanum on their abdomen, but it was only on the internet so I don't know if it's true. :oops:
When I'd heard about the banging on an empty super, I'd thought it was not to bring down a swarm so much as to direct them into a potential home. Anyway, I'm pretty ignorant about this. I just think that bees are fascinating and the way they don't compromise their rules to bend to ours is amazing.
And with us raw beginner beeks, this might be our first introduction to such a concept.
They have a thing at work called evidence-based practice. I can't understand that, because nearly everything we do is evidence based. It doesn't need a big grant and years of research sometimes, but most things you've seen someone do and they work. That is evidence to me. Some other things we do of course because the boss says to.
Lone
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how about this? if banging pots works for you, bang on. if it doesn't, don't bang. it's not rocket science folks.
Second!
Seriously sometimes old wives tales are just tales, and sometimes they are based on sound observation - aka anecdotal evidence. Lots of good science has been done by investigating anecdotal evidence. But until research has been done with repeatable results and peer review it's all just opinion and speculation - both sides being about equally valid or lacking.
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...It would take a huge number of swarms, to verify repeatable results.
"improvement" could be defined as 1% better - under repeated exercises - it would take at least a hundred swarms to produce a 1% result
- compared against 100 MORE swarms without tanging.
- I don't expect to live long enough to verify the results with accuracy - though I've yet to see a swarm (during my time as a beekeeper). I may watch how they behave without tanging, and then give tanging a try, and if there seems to be a change in behavior in a positive direction, that may be good enough for me.
interesting topic
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Somewhere in the posts above – there was a reference to using a water spray. When bees are beginning to swarm, I have used a water hose set on mist to wet them and encourage them to land and cluster. Of course they will cluster anyway - but my intervention is to make it happen sooner, lower, and to last longer before they take off again.
I have also used drumming to move bees down in a hive, and frequently use tapping on a frame with my hive tool, to get them to walk off of that frame and back down into the hive.
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>>>>I thought "drumming" was getting bees to move up and/or out of an old gum log?<<<<
SEE, that's what you get for thinking. Haven't I warned you about that before? :evil:
Actually, most all the old legends have a half dozen or so names. Banging on pots and pans ain't no different. Location may have something to do with it, too.
I would venture to say iddee, that drumming perhaps was used as an explanation to actual tanging, in that most beekeepers never even heard of the word tanging before. I have heard beekeepers refer to tanging as drumming, but have never heard a beekeeper refer to drumming as tanging.
Tanging for hundreds of years has been used to describe banging on metal to settle a swarm as the hive is swarming. Nothing more, nothing less.
Drumming, a much more defined and written about term, defines when a beekeeper beats on a old gum log to get bees to move up and out of the log and into a box placed on top.
I have never read about, or heard about, in my years of beekeeping, a beekeeper drumming out bees from a tree, and using the term "tanging".
But I have heard about beekeepers beating on pots and then calling it drumming. I would say the term used as "drumming" was used for the lack of any other word known to be used.
And even if some "cultural" differences can be use as an excuse, it may be better to clearly define the two going forward.
;)
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>>>>And even if some "cultural" differences can be use as an excuse, it may be better to clearly define the two going forward.<<<<
And kill what little chance we have for conversation while the bees are holing up for the winter? NAAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
This thread reminds me of the "delete me" thread.
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I have never read about, or heard about, in my years of beekeeping, a beekeeper drumming out bees from a tree, and using the term "tanging".
But I have heard about beekeepers beating on pots and then calling it drumming. I would say the term used as "drumming" was used for the lack of any other word known to be used.
And even if some "cultural" differences can be use as an excuse, it may be better to clearly define the two going forward.
From what I am reading and hearing, this is what I would suggest is the case as well.
From an odd piece I found online called "the shamanic bee" or something like that, they describe drumming in a different cause/effect relationship than tanging.
Big Bear
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This thread reminds me of the "delete me" thread.
Ah yes! A period of light hearted humor, and freedom of expression.
Little did I or anyone else know that "delete me" would one day actually turn into "DELETE ME", in the real sense of elimination of members....... :-D
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Try this link http://beelore.com/2009/04/09/tanging/
Scott