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Title: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on September 06, 2008, 09:51:46 am
Okay...I just watched Bee Movie last night after several people said "Oh, you're a beekeeper.  Have you watched Bee Movie?" "No" I would say.  "Well, its really great!  You would probably love it." 

They couldn't have been more wrong.  What an outrage this movie is.  It is morally and scientifically backwards.  Beekeepers are not the bad guys as portrayed in the movie.  The beek's in the movie are characterized by the line "they make the honey, we make the money" .  How ridiculous!  I have spent thousands of dollars on my bees; housing them, buying them, FEEDING them.  I have certainly not made a dime on my bees and even if I did, is that wrong! How insane.

Scientifically, the entire movie is a farce.  Males (pollen jocks) are not workers , females are.  Bees don't pick one job for their entire life, they perform several jobs throughout their lifetime.  FLOWERS ARE NOT PRODUCED BY BEES, flowers are fertilized by bees which created FRUITS AND FERTILIZED SEEDS.

I you are a beek, don't watch this movie!  If you do I guarantee you will be climbing the walls like me looking for a place to vent, thank you beemaster.com. 
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 06, 2008, 11:36:41 am
My wife and I watched the movie and were somewhat entertained, it was make believe and we heard all the stories about how inaccurate it was.

The strangest thing to me is that Seinfeld had the need to make this movie.

We took it with a grain of salt and then some.


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Bill W. on September 06, 2008, 12:01:42 pm
Huh.  That is really odd, considering Hollywood's excellent track record for producing movies which promote both science and business.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Irwin on September 06, 2008, 12:06:34 pm
Al Gore is hiding in there some where :-D
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bassman1977 on September 06, 2008, 12:16:32 pm
Man, it's a cartoon movie.  Why on earth would you expect it to be scientifically accurate?  These movies are meant to entertain, not educate.  When was the last time you saw a purple talking dinosaur or a talking sponge?  Also, Bee Movie made a point in showing that without bees, there would be nothing.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: mtman1849 on September 06, 2008, 03:05:25 pm
Ok i might be going out on a limb here,  and I am not defending the movies inaccuracy, but maybe in some round about way they did bring to the attention of people that might not have otherwise known what the would could be like without honeybees.  I would think they got that just about right.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on September 06, 2008, 03:28:44 pm
I am not expecting a cartoon movie to be entirely accurate.  I can tolerate the inner workings of the hive being embellished and talking insects are fine with me too.  I have to drawn the line where the movie portrays the beekeeper as the evil character.  I have never read a post on this website or talked to a beekeeper who has intentionally mistreated their bees and of course I take issue with the whole anti-capitalism slant of the movie. 

Bees are able to make more honey than they need.  We can have some too.  Get over it Mr. Seinfeld!   
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: SgtMaj on September 06, 2008, 04:37:14 pm
bassman1977 you pretty much summed up my thoughts exactly.  Nevertheless, you do make a good point Whipcitybeeman, about them portraying beeks as the bad guys.  But SOMEONE has to be the bad guy in movies... who would you propose the bad guy be?
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: pdmattox on September 06, 2008, 06:54:36 pm
It is all about the hidden agenda and supported with subliminal messages, Hollywood for short. :evil:
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: annette on September 06, 2008, 07:35:15 pm
I enjoyed this movie, even though I couldn't believe they were so inaccurate. I just took it for what it was. A cartoon!!
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bmacior on September 06, 2008, 08:18:48 pm
The bad guy?
Wasps, definitely wasps!   
Was it on U tube (or whatever it's called) where I watched a clip about 30 wasps decimating a hive of 30,000 bees? 
Wasps, definitely wasps. :-D
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Nate on September 06, 2008, 08:57:44 pm
heh.

I thought the movie was quite entertaining.  It did cover the issue of the importance of honey bees.  The fact that beeks are displayed as the bad guys is minimal.  Most animal cartoons do display the keeper as the bad guy...  Like that one chicken coup movie where they try to break free.

Anyways, take care and breathe some fresh air

nate
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: rdy-b on September 06, 2008, 09:43:06 pm
I have never seen the movie -all i know is that the kids that come to the farmers market are all talking about Jery the bee -they are now asking more questions about the observation hive which in its self must be good and HONEY SALES ARE UP -and thats a good thing  :-D  :lol: RDY-B
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on September 06, 2008, 10:26:10 pm
It is all about the hidden agenda and supported with subliminal messages, Hollywood for short. :evil:

pdmattox is right.  I think he gets my point. I also agree that wasps should be the bad guys. Or varroa mites, tracheal mites, wax moths (boy have I had trouble with those lately), or even mice would make a fine evil character. 

Who likes mice anyway??
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: buzzbee on September 06, 2008, 10:56:28 pm
It is all about the hidden agenda and supported with subliminal messages, Hollywood for short. :evil:

pdmattox is right.  I think he gets my point. I also agree that wasps should be the bad guys. Or varroa mites, tracheal mites, wax moths (boy have I had trouble with those lately), or even mice would make a fine evil character. 

Who likes mice anyway??
Disney :-D :-D
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 06, 2008, 10:59:43 pm
It is all about the hidden agenda and supported with subliminal messages, Hollywood for short. :evil:

pdmattox is right.  I think he gets my point. I also agree that wasps should be the bad guys. Or varroa mites, tracheal mites, wax moths (boy have I had trouble with those lately), or even mice would make a fine evil character. 

Who likes mice anyway??

My pet frog: http://www.toadilytoads.com/pyxie.html


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: johnnybigfish on September 06, 2008, 11:16:17 pm
Oh boy JP!!
 He's GREAT!!
 he(or she) looks like something that just might wake you up in the middle of the night and start a conversation with you!
 Sort of like a frog in "Alice in Wonderland"!

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 06, 2008, 11:23:23 pm
Oh boy JP!!
 He's GREAT!!
 he(or she) looks like something that just might wake you up in the middle of the night and start a conversation with you!
 Sort of like a frog in "Alice in Wonderland"!

your friend,
john

He is great John, I've always had a thing for frogs, even though my Dad thought I would probably marry a bass one day, at least that's what he said in highschool!!!


...JP ;)
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: rdy-b on September 06, 2008, 11:45:20 pm
I like it -It has a resemblance to JAVA DE HUT - 8-) RDY-B
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Brian D. Bray on September 07, 2008, 12:14:49 am
My wife and I watched the movie and were somewhat entertained, it was make believe and we heard all the stories about how inaccurate it was.

The strangest thing to me is that Seinfeld had the need to make this movie.

We took it with a grain of salt and then some.


...JP

Ain't that the only way to take Seinfeld?
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 07, 2008, 12:20:55 am
My wife and I watched the movie and were somewhat entertained, it was make believe and we heard all the stories about how inaccurate it was.

The strangest thing to me is that Seinfeld had the need to make this movie.

We took it with a grain of salt and then some.


...JP

Ain't that the only way to take Seinfeld?

Is there another way?

Love Kramer, too bad he messed up with the racial slur rs, he really surprised me with that.

Now Newman is definitely, without a doubt, my favorite!!


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bassman1977 on September 07, 2008, 01:32:43 am
I was going to comment some more on this but there's no point...
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Irwin on September 07, 2008, 08:43:55 am
It is all about the hidden agenda and supported with subliminal messages, Hollywood for short. :evil:
You hit the nail on the head !
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: johnnybigfish on September 07, 2008, 01:32:20 pm
I dont see a problem here with this movie. I thought it was GREAT!
 And it was sooooo scientifically accurate I was amazed!! :) The inside of  Berrys hive was EXACTLY how my hives look inside!!!
 I have a tiny bottle of honey right on top of my computer what looks like Berry the bee! (it took me a month before i realized who he was!)
Ok,....I have to get back to my "Angel Trumpets"!

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Card on September 07, 2008, 04:56:37 pm
Quote from: SgtMaj
...who would you propose the bad guy be?
The Crop Science division of Bayer Pharma? 8-)
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: hankdog1 on September 07, 2008, 08:32:11 pm
I don't know why the beekeeper is the bad guy we protect our bees and do everything in our power to insure thier surviveal.  Not to mention we're the ones responsable for thier spread throughout the world.  I guess Winnie The Pooh "AKA Hive Distoryer" wasn't avaliable for this movie. lol
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: SgtMaj on September 07, 2008, 09:01:57 pm
I worked the bee booth at the county fair today... and a little girl said "you're killing the bees, bees don't want to smoke."  It was funny.  She was a little too young to know the difference between cartoons and reality.

Very ironically, there's a ferral hive, not more than about 50 feet from the bee both at the fair. 
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Scadsobees on September 08, 2008, 09:27:47 am
I thought the movie was a little immature and highly inaccurate.  My kids took it as total fiction because they didn't recognize it as bees or a beehive.    They must have thought that they were yellow and black fuzzy pixies.

But it did have a big impact on me...I now laugh demonically the whole time that I'm pulling honey supers.  Mwhaaa haa haa!  Nothing beats docile, worn-out, mind numbed bees!
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: beemaster on September 08, 2008, 11:36:24 am
What really made me mad was locally SCHOOLS had actual scheduled class trips to see this movie AFTER CCD first started making the news - they wanted to show the importance of the bees and beekeeping - I don't think it did either.

I couldn't get past the "Entertainment" because I fixated and moaned at the foolishness of the inaccuracies - it could have been done with accurate info and still been a great movie, instead they aimed for jokes and very good animation (far from Shrek mind you) and handed the unknowing public more untruths than a thousand rumors could have done. What a shame the had no one technical on this production that insisted on some degree of reality - I don't care if the audience was supposed to be 5 year olds, shouldn't they be able to go home with some real neat facts to talk about over dinner?

I saw a movie lately where a daughter was plaaying Texas Holdem' against her Dad in a Vegas Tourament, he pushed the last handful of chips in front of him saying "All in" couldn't have been $50,000 there and in responces (instead of calling, which is matching his all in bet) she also says "All in" and pushes here 3 million in chips out on the table. That just isn't what happens, he had no more chips, she need only match it, she couldn't have raised if she wanted cause he had no more chips - this fact of the game was strictly hollywood and lost anyone who knew anything about cards. It blew the movie and through its cribility out the window, that is what bee novie did for me.

I understand a box full of toys come to life, it is a cartoon - a mouse becomes a great chef at a 5 star restruaunt is a cartoon, a trip into the world of the behive, showing drones coming back with barrels of pollen and it getting squeezed into honey, that isn't a cartoon it is a shame!
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bassman1977 on September 08, 2008, 11:52:35 am
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What really made me mad was locally SCHOOLS had actual scheduled class trips to see this movie AFTER CCD first started making the news - they wanted to show the importance of the bees and beekeeping - I don't think it did either.

In a case like this, I think this is a failure on the school's behalf.  I applaud them for wanting to expose CCD and beekeeping to kids, but first, they should have checked out the movie first (and if they did, shame on them for using it as a teaching tool).  Second, as an alternative, they should have brought in a beek or two to expose the kids.  Maybe bring in some visual aids (hive cutouts, etc) or maybe even set up an observation hive.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Irwin on September 08, 2008, 11:55:58 am
It's the left wing agenda They put there stuff in cartoon's and brain wash are kid's That don't know better. All logger's and fishermen and now bee keeper's are bad.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Jerrymac on September 08, 2008, 12:13:12 pm
Did you all make this big a fuss over "Antz"  :?
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bassman1977 on September 08, 2008, 12:18:11 pm
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Did you all make this big a fuss over "Antz"  huh

That was so life-like though.   :-D
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: beemaster on September 08, 2008, 02:07:20 pm
Right On Bassman, about the schools neglect to check it out first, or go to a source where the kids could interact.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: utahbeekeeper on September 08, 2008, 04:43:26 pm
There are better things to do with ones waking hours than get upset at a pretty enjoyable cartoon.  Cripes, at least it is better than South Park and Beavis and Butthead, which masterpieces have really messed up a large part of the last generation!

Now there is something to be said for staying away from TV and Hollywood all together . . . . I know families that do!  But I like some of their offerings and take them for what they are!  I own and watch often "Dave" and "The American President" for instance, but I do NOT expect them to correctly reflect American politics.

That said, you did garner a large number of reads and replies, which is what the board is all about.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: homer on September 08, 2008, 06:11:18 pm
I am not expecting a cartoon movie to be entirely accurate.  I can tolerate the inner workings of the hive being embellished and talking insects are fine with me too.  I have to drawn the line where the movie portrays the beekeeper as the evil character.  I have never read a post on this website or talked to a beekeeper who has intentionally mistreated their bees and of course I take issue with the whole anti-capitalism slant of the movie. 

Bees are able to make more honey than they need.  We can have some too.  Get over it Mr. Seinfeld!   

Holy crap dude.  Chill out.  Go find a documentary about bees and watch that if you need to feel good about yourself.  You're bing a bit, no totally, ridiculous here.  Lots of movies portray lots of things that are far from the truth, that's probably why so many people watch them and they make millions on them.  My suggestion for you would be to just stick to the documentary channel,  Likely you'll find much less disappointment there.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: johnnybigfish on September 08, 2008, 07:02:25 pm
Yeh,,,,....."LIFE LIKE!" :-D :-D

heh heh heh ....
 That ant hill looked just like the one in my back yard!!
Ok,...back again to the "Angel Trumpets"!

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: debay on September 08, 2008, 07:36:48 pm
 :? uhhhhhhhhhhhh. its just a movie right? a cartoon? not even a cartoon,its cgi. all pixels and 010101111100001110000 stuff. I think the movie is supposed to be from the bee's perspective not ours anyway. In that respect it was accurate. we contantly invade their home (beeks, regardless of our motives, its invasive), find ways to kill them off (farmers and such), and eat their food supplies that they worked for (everyone else). Then they showed the importance of bees to society and the world as a whole. If you look at the high notes, they hit it close enough to get people interested. and again, wasnt it just a movie and NOT a documentary...........................................................................
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bassman1977 on September 08, 2008, 09:53:28 pm
Good points!
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 09, 2008, 01:18:34 am
Hey, let's make our own "Bee Movie" and make Seinfeld the bad guy!!!


...JP :evil:
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Brian D. Bray on September 09, 2008, 02:48:50 am
Hey, let's make our own "Bee Movie" and make Seinfeld the bad guy!!!


...JP :evil:

The True Bee Movie...and forget the "Queen of Hearts" from Wonderland.   
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: 1reb on September 09, 2008, 11:21:05 am
JP
What are you going to call your movie?
Johnny
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 09, 2008, 11:24:44 am
JP
What are you going to call your movie?

How about "Not The Bee Movie". Catchy, huh! Not!


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: 1reb on September 09, 2008, 11:27:45 am
Ok you got a name, now when is the release date?
Johnny
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 09, 2008, 11:32:19 am
Ok you got a name, now when is the release date?
Johnny

Patience, Patience, all good things come to those who wait.


...JP ;)
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: 1reb on September 09, 2008, 11:35:37 am
Ok  I will  :'(
Johnny
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 09, 2008, 11:54:08 am
Ok  I will  :'(
Johnny

Well ya know we just don't have the budget that Mr. Seinfeld has, so if we're lucky, release date, 2020?? :-D


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Brian D. Bray on September 09, 2008, 04:10:12 pm
Ok  I will  :'(
Johnny

Well ya know we just don't have the budget that Mr. Seinfeld has, so if we're lucky, release date, 2020?? :-D


...JP

Subtitle: A collection of stills and poor cellphone video.   Have to have several episodes of JP doing cutouts.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 09, 2008, 05:25:38 pm
I know, we can make all the shbs look like little Seinfelds, then at the end of the movie we catch 'em all with AJ's Beetle traps!


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on September 09, 2008, 05:36:04 pm
I never thought this message thread would get so much activity.  Now it has reached a point of ridiculousness that I can't help but laugh when I read it.


I guess it was all worth it  :-D
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: debay on September 09, 2008, 10:52:39 pm
i think the movie should be about a very tough but close colony of bees that gets disrupted by a beek who took a few frames of brood to be put in another hive. then the original bees assemble their drones and go on a mision to find and bring back the MIA's. perhaps they could fight their way through africanized bees, Japanese bees, or even Russian bees. at this point you could have either a "Chuck Norris" drone, a "Sylvester Stallone" drone, or an Arnold Schwarzenegger"  drone to rise to the top as the hero. But, if you really want to stick to the drones are wusses thinking, we could go with a "Joan of Ark" character, or maybe a Sigorney Weaver. They could hire mercenary wasps (they dont die when they sting) or maybe bumble bees. the options are limitless.  maybe a Cleopatra Jones bee.......... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 10, 2008, 12:43:01 am
Ok  I will  :'(
Johnny

Well ya know we just don't have the budget that Mr. Seinfeld has, so if we're lucky, release date, 2020?? :-D


...JP

Subtitle: A collection of stills and poor cellphone video.   Have to have several episodes of JP doing cutouts.


Blaire Bee project???


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: 1reb on September 10, 2008, 12:59:02 am
Is Blaire Bee project this going to be another movie ?
Johnny
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Brian D. Bray on September 10, 2008, 10:23:44 pm
Is Blaire Bee project this going to be another movie ?
Johnny

Same movie, we're discussing titles.  Blaire Bee Project will definitely fit the poor photography, much better than Bees from the Lost Lagoon.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: 1reb on September 10, 2008, 10:34:29 pm
Is the release date move up or is it still 2020?
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 10, 2008, 10:41:02 pm
Is the release date move up or is it still 2020?

We could most certainly pull off a Blaire Bee Project before 2020.


...JP ;)
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: bassman1977 on September 10, 2008, 10:43:04 pm
I certainly hope it is better than the Blair Witch Project.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 10, 2008, 10:45:30 pm
I certainly hope it is better than the Blair Witch Project.

Couldn't be any worse that's for sure.


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: poka-bee on September 10, 2008, 11:02:45 pm
How bout Bee-Barella, just for you guys!!  Havn't seen Jane in many things lately..she may need the $$ (hee hee)at least the filming was a little better..not the script or plot though... :evil:  Jody
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 10, 2008, 11:17:35 pm
Hey Jody I pmed you two days ago did you see that? Look at the top of the page under messages.


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: randydrivesabus on September 11, 2008, 10:01:16 am
i find the nasonex bee a lot more annoying than the seinfeld bee.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: beemaster on September 11, 2008, 10:58:45 am
Just remember JP - you don't have until 2020, you only have 'til 2012 (12-21-2012) to be more exact, and if you release it THAT DATE, will there be any of us left to see it - or will the mothership beam us all up and take us back to where they've taken the bees the last few years?

Of course I'm talking the Mayan Calendar end date, but the later is a paraphrase from a guest on a talkshow I heard say that Aliens need our bees for pollination, because they let theirs die and alien global warming is in full swing and the only chance they have is to take what bees we can spare. The are not trying to kill our planet by taking all our bees, only taking what they need (or can carry) and who knows, someday soon (he went on to say) beekeepers may start disappearing to TEND to the billions of transported bees. Talk about a wild theory - wow!
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: poka-bee on September 11, 2008, 12:54:05 pm
JP I just did, been too scattered & busy to get on for more than a couple of minutes at a time! I'll try tonight, fun to hear your voices even if I type!   ;)  Jody
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 11, 2008, 01:00:10 pm
Just remember JP - you don't have until 2020, you only have 'til 2012 (12-21-2012) to be more exact, and if you release it THAT DATE, will there be any of us left to see it - or will the mothership beam us all up and take us back to where they've taken the bees the last few years?

Of course I'm talking the Mayan Calendar end date, but the later is a paraphrase from a guest on a talkshow I heard say that Aliens need our bees for pollination, because they let theirs die and alien global warming is in full swing and the only chance they have is to take what bees we can spare. The are not trying to kill our planet by taking all our bees, only taking what they need (or can carry) and who knows, someday soon (he went on to say) beekeepers may start disappearing to TEND to the billions of transported bees. Talk about a wild theory - wow!


Now this could be the makings of a very interesting "Bee Movie" John.

Feel free to tell us more!

Yeah, Jody, I was wondering if you were ever gonna look "up"!  :-D


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: annette on September 11, 2008, 01:48:48 pm
I will take care of their bees up there, but no anal probing OK!!!
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on September 11, 2008, 02:00:02 pm
I will take care of their bees up there, but no anal probing OK!!!

The umbrella known to keep raindrops off the head can also be used as a weapon and a shield, nothing to worry about Annette!! Hee hee.  :-D :-*


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: SgtMaj on September 12, 2008, 01:51:39 am
Of course I'm talking the Mayan Calendar end date, but the later is a paraphrase from a guest on a talkshow I heard say that Aliens need our bees for pollination, because they let theirs die and alien global warming is in full swing and the only chance they have is to take what bees we can spare. The are not trying to kill our planet by taking all our bees, only taking what they need (or can carry) and who knows, someday soon (he went on to say) beekeepers may start disappearing to TEND to the billions of transported bees. Talk about a wild theory - wow!


Drat!  The humans have discovered our plan!  Now I must contact our mothership and arrange for a flight out of here at once!   :roll:
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Jerrymac on September 12, 2008, 02:10:22 am
- or will the mothership beam us all up and take us back to where they've taken the bees the last few years?

Seems there are a lot of animals lately slipping towards extinction.... Huuuummmmm Galactic Noah?
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: KONASDAD on September 12, 2008, 12:27:38 pm
I use it as an excuse to talk bees w/ kids. Thats a good thing. Yes its innaccurate, but its one of the best reasons kids havre any interest in bees at all. Between CCD and the Bee Movie, we are living and beekeeping during the most interesdting times. Its a challenge, lets embrace it as beeeks.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: beemaster on October 01, 2008, 02:08:57 am
Maybe I'm still a  bit disappointed in the bee movie - I can see it shown as a cartoonish but realistic life of the hive, showing the workers doing their many fascinating jobs all the way through their end times, and then a lone drone (Seinfelf) coping with be a TOOSED DRONE in the Fall and running into his many adventures then. I know it could have worked.

I guess what I find strange is that surely no technical advice was either asked for or used in the making, could there have been ONE truism in the movie? The only reason I bring this up again is that it is on HBO now and seeing it in HD really brought back memories  :roll:

Sure it is all in fun, nothing more real than the HULK or Batman, not. But I'm sure the same could be said from Happy Feet or Nemo. We need to embrace entertainment, just a disclaimer or maybe a short film of the real workings of the hive packaged with the DVD Boxset would be nice.

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 01, 2008, 08:38:56 am
I love the way a thread can can go all places.

First off I not only saw the movie. I went with my beekeeper association. Guess what we loved it. Was it accurate? Hell no. Did we expect it to be. No.


It's a friggen cartoon.

If you are counting on historically accuracy from Disney and Dreamworks you are the one in the wrong not the movie makers. They are trying to entertain not teach history.

I lecture now about 3 times a month for all age groups. When I am dealing with younger kids do you thing I have a picture a Barry B Benson in my presentation? You betcha. Why? Because kids relate to the cartoon and associate it with a good memory. When I get in there. I show the kids the picture of Barry. I ask what is wrong with this picture. I now have the kids attention because they all liked the movie and now they get to show how smart they are.

(http://www.brendhanhorne.com/coppermine_dir/albums/userpics/10001/normal_beemoviepromo.jpg)

The kids all like to point out that he is wearing shoes, a sweater, and that he talks. Which they all understand real bees don't do. I will explain while bees do talk, they don't speak English. Now I have a group buzzing and doing waggle dances.
I then explain the biggest problem with Barry is he is a boy. When 99% of the bees in a hive are girls. Now I have all the girls cheering. Now I have girls interested in bugs. If the kids are slightly older then discussions on pollination will take place. Discussions on allergies and AHB also depending on the age of the group.

At the end I go back to Barry to remind the class that bees are responsible for honey. But when I ask them if Barry is responsible they all say no.

Do I love the movie for what it did to peak interest in bees. You bet. Did I mind having to make a few corrections. Heck no.

And if they make a sequel I am willing to bet the association would go see that movie.

Sincerely,
Brendhan


Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Scadsobees on October 01, 2008, 12:52:51 pm
And yet..who were the bad guys?  Even though they corrected the bee working and honey thing, did they ever exonerate the beekeepers?

The horrible nasty men who cackled as they fumigated the hives with smoke and cruelly ripped the honey away from the poor mistreated stoned bees?  Were there EVER any good beekeepers portrayed?  LAWYERS were portrayed in a better light than beekeepers.

Sure its a cartoon, but I still reserve the right to be offended at their portrayal of me.
  ;)

Rick
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on October 01, 2008, 05:41:19 pm
After reading all the posts in this thread I have to agree that the thing that ruined the movie for me was the portrayal of the beekeeper.  It harkens back to Bambi; the evil hunter killing the mother deer.  Please, give me a break.  There are evil people in the world; true villains. i don't think beekeepers qualify.
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 01, 2008, 08:35:44 pm
After reading all the posts in this thread I have to agree that the thing that ruined the movie for me was the portrayal of the beekeeper.  It harkens back to Bambi; the evil hunter killing the mother deer.  Please, give me a break.  There are evil people in the world; true villains. i don't think beekeepers qualify.

What? You don't like being stereotyped. Hmm, there may be a lesson in that.  :mrgreen:
There are good and bad hunters. Idiots who go out and get drunk and hunt are morons and give good hunters a bad name.
There are good and bad beekeepers. Idiots who don't maintain their hives. Beekeepers who destroy their hives each year (intentionally) instead of trying to winter their bees.
There are plenty of evil idiots out there in all fields. Hollywood just does a very good job of bringing those to the forefront. If you felt being a beekeeper didn't involve any PR work even on a small basis you will quickly learn otherwise.

I could put all my energy into getting mad at Hollywood but that won't change anything. And cartoons will still win the kids over. I like being able to take what Hollywood does and twist to my advantage. In the end the kids win, so I win.

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: DennisD on October 02, 2008, 12:08:25 am
Al Gore is hiding in there some where :-D

Of course! Didn't you know Al Gore invented BEEKEEPING?  ;)
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: johnnybigfish on October 02, 2008, 09:38:27 pm
 That beekeeper sterotype aint so bad....Try being a Pollock before the Aggies came into existence...Whos the scapegoat now? Blondes, isnt it?
Hmmmm,...anyways......I thought all beekeepers were the same as the ones in the movie...At least I am! :-D

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: poka-bee on October 02, 2008, 11:18:44 pm
You can bet our "girls" see us exactly that way!  I havn't read one post here where humans were welcomed! :roll: 
I saw the movie last weekend on HBO, it was cute..cartoon movies are just that..no matter how hard I try Chels doesn't see me as the "evil stepmother"...**sigh**maybe one day! :evil:  J
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Scadsobees on October 03, 2008, 11:09:53 am
That beekeeper sterotype aint so bad....Try being a Pollock before the Aggies came into existence...Whos the scapegoat now? Blondes, isnt it?

You were a fish?  I thought an aggie was a type of pretty stone... :?


Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 03, 2008, 11:15:32 am
That beekeeper sterotype aint so bad....Try being a Pollock before the Aggies came into existence...Whos the scapegoat now? Blondes, isnt it?

You were a fish?  I thought an aggie was a type of pretty stone... :?



Now that was funny.  :-D

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: johnnybigfish on October 03, 2008, 06:48:15 pm
 That was FUNNY alright!!!
 Took me a minute though( whattaya expect...I'm a FISH!) but I laughed my gum onto my lip!
 An "Aggie" is someone who goes to school at Texas A&M university ;)

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 03, 2008, 06:53:11 pm
That was FUNNY alright!!!
 Took me a minute though( whattaya expect...I'm a FISH!) but I laughed my gum onto my lip!
 An "Aggie" is someone who goes to school at Texas A&M university ;)

your friend,
john

Yeah because you have to have standards to be a Hoosier.  ;) :-D

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Mklangelo on October 03, 2008, 07:13:00 pm
Just more proof that the average person is an idiot and will believe what they are told, as long as it's slick and entertaining.  It's all about image and packaging.  Americans aren't interested in facts.   Just about anyone under 30 years old needs to be entertained every waking moment.  They get up in the morning and turn on a TV.  Then they plug an Ipod in their head and off to work and unless their boss tells them to take it off, that's where it will stay. 

 
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 03, 2008, 07:28:29 pm
Just more proof that the average person is an idiot and will believe what they are told, as long as it's slick and entertaining.  It's all about image and packaging.  Americans aren't interested in facts.   Just about anyone under 30 years old needs to be entertained every waking moment.  They get up in the morning and turn on a TV.  Then they plug an Ipod in their head and off to work and unless their boss tells them to take it off, that's where it will stay. 

 

I understand your sentiment. However I don't completely agree with it. When it comes to children if I can teach them and keep them entertained while doing it I win the children win. And I have to admit I would rather spend three hours in a lecture that is entertaining than one that droll. Because my retention is better. I think good teachers make learning the facts fun.


Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: rdy-b on October 05, 2008, 12:52:58 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMNPJzwSrTI&feature=related      :lol: :lol: :lol:  RDY-B
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: rdy-b on October 05, 2008, 02:08:07 am
looks acurate to me- 8-)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcctTeCYLGc&feature=related
RDY-B
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on October 05, 2008, 08:23:08 am
Obviously the youtube cartoon is not correct and I wouldnt expect it to be.  I think some of you are missing the point.  I am not opposed to ducks, bees, bears, etc talking or what have you.  My biggest problem with the movie is the portrayal of beeks as evil capitalists profiteers. 

Why doesnt Disney put out a movie about evil capitalists profiteers that have a theme park empire all over the world that puts out animated movies?  Think of the carbon footprint of all those parks and all the pollution the cars and planes make bringing millions of evil doing humans to the parks every year.  And just think of all the evil money these parks make!!  "We make the money and the park pollutes the earth plenty!" could be the chant of the CEO and his henchmen. 
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 05, 2008, 10:35:54 am
Obviously the youtube cartoon is not correct and I wouldnt expect it to be.  I think some of you are missing the point.  I am not opposed to ducks, bees, bears, etc talking or what have you.  My biggest problem with the movie is the portrayal of beeks as evil capitalists profiteers. 

Why doesnt Disney put out a movie about evil capitalists profiteers that have a theme park empire all over the world that puts out animated movies?  Think of the carbon footprint of all those parks and all the pollution the cars and planes make bringing millions of evil doing humans to the parks every year.  And just think of all the evil money these parks make!!  "We make the money and the park pollutes the earth plenty!" could be the chant of the CEO and his henchmen. 

Man that is just filled with so much contradiction I don't know where to begin.

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Scientifically, the entire movie is a farce.  Males (pollen jocks) are not workers , females are.  Bees don't pick one job for their entire life, they perform several jobs throughout their lifetime.  FLOWERS ARE NOT PRODUCED BY BEES, flowers are fertilized by bees which created FRUITS AND FERTILIZED SEEDS.

Now it's just the beekeepers  as evil capitalists profiteers.
This is known in circles as changing the subject.

So because the movie portrays beekeepers as evil instead of wasps or varroa. Suddenly it's bad. A couple of things here. One not all beekeepers are good people. If they were we wouldn't have people here in Florida trying to sue the importers but I will guess that's okay because the chinese aren't human right? Also you didn't write the movie. That doesn't mean you have to like it but the reasons for your disdain are pretty weak.

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Why doesnt Disney put out a movie about evil capitalists profiteers that have a theme park empire all over the world that puts out animated movies?
This comment goes to stereotype. Because it's animated it must be Disney. Then the rest of the comment digresses into an appeal about the carbon foot print. This is just poor on many levels.

Disney did not make the Bee Movie. It was a Dreamworks productions. And specifically it was Steven Spielberg who got Jerry to work on making the movie a reality. You know Steven he made that movie called ET. The one where the adults chase the boy and his Reeses pieces alien. Those evil adults, how could they. All he wanted was to make a phone call. (Touch of sarcasm in there? you bet)

And so we can address your evil theme park empire and movies. Movies cost money to get made. A lot of it. I am not giving full justification to the evil theme park empire but I realize when you lead star is getting 20 million to star in a movie  and the rest of your production costs which includes the salaries of those who do all the rigging and set building, and in the case of a modern animation all the people who design the code and make the animation, the sound engineers and the rest. Having a movie that is almost 100 million isn't unusual. Then you have distribute it and publicize it. And if you are the financial arm putting this money at risk even if it won't bankrupt you you would still like to get a return on your investment. It's called running a business not a charity. And while the evil theme park may not seem wonderful to you. it's stock is part of several hundred mutual funds. It is considered a blue chip amongst traders. So all those 401ks, mutual funds, and others may have some evil empire in it. It's not just kids who love the mouse, the AARP loves the mouse also.
Look there is plenty of evil to go around with better foundations than you have used.

If you don't like it you can always write, produce, advertise , and distribute your own. Who knows you could have the next Blair Witch or something else. And you can always come and complain about hollywood. But it doesn't mean your reasons won't be taken to task. In this case it is a load of fail.

[img width= height= alt=Your Failboat has Landed" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-775]http://failblog.wordpress.com/files/2008/05/accident-aground.jpg?w=500[/img] (http://failblog.org/2008/05/28/your-failboat-has-landed/)
see more pwn and owned pictures (http://failblog.org)

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 05, 2008, 10:53:49 am
I don't know why the beekeeper is the bad guy we protect our bees and do everything in our power to insure thier surviveal.  Not to mention we're the ones responsable for thier spread throughout the world.  I guess Winnie The Pooh "AKA Hive Distoryer" wasn't avaliable for this movie. lol

Please watch the movie again and see who gets the tranq dart after the court decision.

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: johnnybigfish on October 05, 2008, 12:59:43 pm
I like the donald duck movie!

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: rdy-b on October 05, 2008, 02:17:07 pm
I like the donald duck movie!

your friend,
john
 
theres plenty more(bee theme) from Disiney and others this has been going on since 1935-cant make everybody happy- :lol:RDY-B
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: WhipCityBeeMan on October 05, 2008, 03:07:11 pm
Understudy,

I think you did not realize that I was being sarcastic in my last comments.  I thought it was clear enough but I guess not because you missed my point.


Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: Understudy on October 05, 2008, 03:19:36 pm
Understudy,

I think you did not realize that I was being sarcastic in my last comments.  I thought it was clear enough but I guess not because you missed my point.




If it was a troll. It was a very good one. I bought into it hook line and sinker.

Sincerely,
Brendhan

Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: DennisD on October 08, 2008, 03:13:27 am
I waited until I watched it before I commented. I watched The Bee Movie with my 6 year old daughter.

I wasn't expecting anything factual or documentary like in quality, so, I was not disappointed. It is what I thought it would be, a children's movie filled with make believe and fantasy. YMMV
Title: Re: Bee Movie - Utter Disbelief
Post by: JP on October 08, 2008, 10:22:18 am
Wow this post has really turned into something! Thought I'd add a comment/question. How many times do you get "Oh you're a beekeeper, you should be ashamed of yourself!"

I never do, its usually something like, "Wow you're a beekeeper, how often do you get stung?"

And when some people learn that I remove bees and transfer them to beeyards I get, "Thank you for saving the bees."

Of course I also get, "Are you crazy or something, why would you save them?"

You see, we are not the bad guys, and a lot of the public believes that anything with a stinger is bad, and that's when we, "The good guys and girls" have a chance to educate on all HB's good splendor.



...JP