Author Topic: So you think doing removals sounds fun? (Read 7372 times)

D Semple · « **on:** July 18, 2011, 11:44:36 am »

Finally got to the big crawl space colony in the 110 year old house last Saturday. Well’s, the 85 year old homeowner, said he recollected the bees had been living under the floor below his easy chair for at least 5 years. What a day, getting to these bees and getting them out kicked my butt. Like a dummy :-P I took this job on without realising how hard it would turn out to be.

To start with the crawl space that I had to crawl into was only 3’ high with an air heater duct running thru it in the middle to get under. It was about 15’ back to the hive, dragging all my boxes, bee-vac , buckets, tarp and gear. Took me 5 trips to get everything back in there and set up lights to work. To complicate things somebody :evil: had a very long drinking problem that they were hiding from their wife and had pitched several hundred glass pint flasks back into the dark crawl space so I was crawling on by belly over bottles, rocks, and tons of broken glass each way. I wore my wife’s full length white bee coveralls over jeans and a thick shirt, with those leather cow hide bee gloves that come up past your elbows for protection from the glass.

Because the job was inside a house with no smoke, I used my robo bee-vacuum the whole way, vacuuming off all the bees from each piece of comb before rubber banding them up in the frames.

I would cut each piece of comb down 5” at a time to fit the frames, vacuum the bees off, and then rubber-band the comb in place, and drop it in a box and then repeat the process. I tried hard to put the hive structure back together just like it was inside the boxes.

Great queen, ended up with 3 medium boxes of brood, capped honey and pollen, 2 ½ – 5 gallon buckets of old capped honey comb pieces I will feed back to the bees, and 2 - 5 gallon buckets of nice light freshly capped honey comb for us to harvest. :)

Oh, and one thing I learned the hard way about, if you ever have to do a cutout sitting Indian style underneath a colony make sure to duct-tape your pants to your boots, took about 10 stings to the ankles and calves because the coveralls I was wearing kept creeping up above my boots. :'(

Should of had better pictures for you all, next year I'll learn how to video.

Don

Boom Buzz · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2011, 01:53:16 pm »

Don,

Great pics and story. What we do for a colony of bees, eh?
Interesting comb structure.
That would've kicked my butt too :-D, but sounds like you got a good strong colony with plenty of comb strapped in!
Nice job!

John

Scadsobees · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2011, 02:16:59 pm »

Neat hive, LOOKS easy! ;) But then again you don't have a picture of the crawlspace that you had to traverse....plus you can't RUN if they all turn on you!! :-D

Sounds like a pretty good payoff on this one, strong hive.

I'm not a fan of cutouts, they usually are more work than anticipated! It goes a lot better and faster too when you have 2 people. I enjoy cutouts a lot more with a buddy than just by myself.

Rick

kingfisherfd2 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2011, 02:31:13 pm »

Sounds like a great haul. My feet would have fallen asleep.

iddee · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2011, 02:54:30 pm »

Nice job. Yep, they are usually more than thought to be, once the work begins. Glad to see you stayed with it.

schawee · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:13:35 pm »

great job,looks like a very healthy hive and alot of honey.thanks for posting the pics. ......schawee

montauk170 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:42:35 pm »

Wow, that's a good one Don. Tough but you got the job done. Great pics too!

gardeningfireman · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2011, 04:29:13 pm »

Great pics! That's one hell of a colony! Lot's of work, I know. I hope the homeowner paid you well enough!

D Semple · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2011, 05:32:43 pm »

John – Re: “That would've kicked my butt too :-D , but sounds like you got a good strong colony with plenty of comb strapped in!

Yes, surprisingly once I got past the light colored new capped honey comb, the brood comb was all pretty much nice and straight. We are starting our summer dearth here and I was very glad to be able to frame up a bunch of their honey for them.

Rick – Re: “It goes a lot better and faster too when you have 2 people. I enjoy cutouts a lot more with a buddy than just by myself”. – Rick

I didn’t have as much money in this job as I would have liked (fixed income HO) and I didn’t want to pay anybody or give the bees away for helping. Very nice gentle little bees, I’m glad to have them.

Kingfisher – Re: “My feet would have fallen asleep.”

My feet were ok, but my legs were cramping up late in the day, it was 95 degrees outside, probably about 85 below this house.

Iddee – Re: “Glad to see you stayed with it”.

I heard my wife say to one of her girlfriends one time, “he ain’t too bright, and bless his sole nothing to look at, but he sure is good at finishing the job. (I think she was talking about work)

schawee & Jack – Thanks, you all have given me a lot of inspiration. This was my 13th and final cutout this year, it’s gotten too hot!

Gardeningfireman – Re: “Great pics! That's one hell of a colony! Lot's of work, I know. I hope the homeowner paid you well enough!”

I normally charge quite a bit more, but Wells was a sweet old guy and a good horse trader. :-D (P.S. I wonder if there is any money in 80 year old whiskey bottles?)

Don

kingfisherfd2 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2011, 05:44:36 pm »

It could be your whiskey bottle hive

Dave360 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2011, 09:13:11 pm »

Don

Thanks for photos
and removals do sound like fun so long as you think sweating , getting stung , wore out , and all sticky is fun

Great Job

Dave

yockey5 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2011, 10:35:04 pm »

Thanks for the picture story! I loved it.

AllenF · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2011, 10:37:47 pm »

I know today I got tired before I got one bucket full of beans today. Just bending over in this heat this afternoon really got to me. But to be cramped under a house for that long............. You da man.

Tommyt · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2011, 08:05:50 am »

I enjoyed the entire thing sitting here in the AC
Thanks for taking time to crawl in and take the pictures
just for ?? how many bee did you vac
I know you said robo but ,was it one or more box's
Deeps or mediums just for reference

Thanks for the informed pictured post
Tommyt

I would check some of the older looking bottles
The Sanford & son in me wouldn't let me leave :)
Old Jack bottles and Beam are at least good looking
just to name a few....
For fun you can make one a top feeder

D Semple · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:11:55 am »

Kingfisher – Re: “It could be your whiskey bottle hive”.

I like it, consider it done. I’ll soak some of the old labels off the bottles and put them on the sides of the hive.

Dave – Re: “Thanks for photos
and removals do sound like fun so long as you think sweating , getting stung , wore out , and all sticky is fun

Boy, that sums it up in a nutshell.

Yockey – Re: Thanks for the picture story! I loved it.

Your welcome, I want to learn how to video like you others though I really enjoy those.

Allen – Re: I know today I got tired before I got one bucket full of beans today. Just bending over in this heat this afternoon really got to me. But to be cramped under a house for that long............. You da man.

Da man, would have caught the queen too, like old eagles eyes schawee always does 8-) .

Tommy – Re: just for ?? how many bee did you vac
I know you said robo but ,was it one or more box's
Deeps or mediums just for reference

I used 3 mediums for the bee-vac, I probably could have gotten by with two, but it was so hot and the removal took me 10 hours for me to finish and I was very worried about the bees overheating. Very happy to say, looking at them this morning that not more than maybe about a hundred were killed vacuuming.

I would check some of the older looking bottles
The Sanford & son in me wouldn't let me leave
Old Jack bottles and Beam are at least good looking
just to name a few....
For fun you can make one a top feeder

They were all pint bottles, but a cool idea. I have to go back tomorrow to mortar in the bees old entrance, I’ll grab a few of the bottles. Most of the bottles appeared to be from our local distillery (McCormicks), which is only 15 minutes from the job.

Don.

D Semple · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:23:36 am »

Thanks for all the nice comments folks and teaching me how to catch my own bees.

It was my hope at the beginning of this my 1st year to catch enough bees to maybe end up with 5 hives and make enough money back to cover my new hobby costs. Well some 14 weeks into beekeeping I’ve got 19 hives at the house, sold 3 others, did 13 removals personally and farmed out to other beekeepers 6 more. I also caught 11 swarms and passed on 8 others to other new beekeeping friends. All told grossing a little over 9 k so far.

Not tons of money, but for a 1st year hobby I’ll take it. Even after paying the wife taxes ;) I should have enough left over to buy 30 hives worth of new equipment for next year so I can turn beekeeping into a sideline.

Done with the removals till next year regards :)

Don

Francus · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2011, 12:43:09 pm »

Just out of curiousity, do you guys charge money for cutouts and removals? And how much if you do?

D Semple · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2011, 01:45:14 pm »

Quote from: Francus on July 19, 2011, 12:43:09 pm

Just out of curiousity, do you guys charge money for cutouts and removals? And how much if you do?

You bet ya :-D , cutouts are a lot of work.

Riggs · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:18:38 pm »

Fantastic post, looks like you had your hands full. Thanks for sharing.

D Coates · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2011, 04:57:17 pm »

Don,

Very nice! Considering the heat here, I'm sweating just looking at the photos. Dusty crawlspaces are not know for their ventilation or comfort, wearing overall couldn't have helped keeping cool either. You did a great job!

D Semple · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2011, 06:30:52 pm »

Quote from: D Coates on July 29, 2011, 04:57:17 pm

Don,

Very nice! Considering the heat here, I'm sweating just looking at the photos. Dusty crawlspaces are not know for their ventilation or comfort, wearing overall couldn't have helped keeping cool either. You did a great job!

Thanks Drew.

You want to hear the funny part of the story.

So Wells, the homeowner, before I ever even go up to look at his bees in Platte City is telling me on the phone how he doesn't have a whole lot of money, being retired and all and on a fixed income. Now you know me and how I am about always charging enough, but about that time schawee is posting up that nice video and story about helping out the old lady with bees in her wash house and I'm thinking I’ve had a good year, I can do a good turn and help old Wells out.

Anyhow, I go out to look at the colony and Wells has got him a fine old Victorian house and has about a 10 year old green Cadillac, in nice condition, in the driveway and I'm thinking at least he has a little money and I don't have to do the job completely for free, so after repeated grumblings and protests by Wells, I let him dicker me down to about half of what I would normally charge for a tough job.

Long story short a couple of days later I'm depositing the check Wells has written me and I notice Wells' name is also the name of the bank on the check. Turns out the old codger owns the local bank up there in Platte City.

Bamboozled regards

Don

Intheswamp · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2011, 08:17:36 pm »

Quote from: D Semple on July 29, 2011, 06:30:52 pm

Long story short a couple of days later I'm depositing the check Wells has written me and I notice Wells' name is also the name of the bank on the check. Turns out the old codger owns the local bank up there in Platte City.

Bamboozled regards

Don

Ya gotta watch them old codgers.... :lau:

Thanks for the cut out story, nice looking hive.
Ed

BlueBee · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2011, 08:29:48 pm »

:lau: :lau: :lau: :lau:

Sorry D Semple, but I’m still laughing that the old penny pincher was a banker! Doesn’t that just figure. What a classic end to the story. Screwed over by the bankers once again.

BlueBee · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2011, 03:05:13 pm »

I’m still chuckling over this thread!

The GREEN Cadillac is also a classic; a perfect car for a banker.

D Coates · « **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2011, 01:00:27 pm »

Quote from: D Semple on July 29, 2011, 06:30:52 pm

Thanks Drew.

You want to hear the funny part of the story.

Don

I was wondering about that when I saw the hardwood floors and persian rug. I thought, that's in a nice house. This can't be the one he told me about. Gotta laugh, glad it turned out good for you in the end.