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Offline Steel Tiger

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Building Frames
« on: April 13, 2013, 12:22:11 pm »
 With the strength of todays glues, are staples or nails really needed to hold frames together.
I've seen several videos of people testing glues and on every single test it's actually the wood that fails, not the glue.
 
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Offline Hemlock

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Re: Building Frames
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2013, 12:48:53 pm »
The first time you pull up on a frame and the top bar is all you end up holding you're going to wish you had used nails or staples.
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Offline Finski

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Re: Building Frames
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2013, 12:59:35 pm »
Quote from: Steel Tiger on April 13, 2013, 12:22:11 pm
With the strength of todays glues, are staples or nails really needed to hold frames together.
I've seen several videos of people testing glues and on every single test it's actually the wood that fails, not the glue.
 

If you idea is true, professional would not use staples.

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Offline RHBee

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Re: Re: Building Frames
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2013, 01:27:18 pm »
I use 7/16 X 1 1/4 " staples 4 per frame and titebond 3. I've had a frame fall apart,  it ain't pretty.

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Offline Intheswamp

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Re: Building Frames
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2013, 03:36:20 pm »
I use one 1" staple (or is it 1-1/4"?) staples down through the top bar...it has been stated that two staples tends to weaken the ears to a point that some have broken off.   I use one staple on each end through the end bars up into the top bar.   I still use two 1" nails in the ends of the bottom bars going into the end bars.  All wood joints get a liberal amount of Titebond III.  The staples and nails give some holding power while they help hold the assembly tight and in alignment while the glue sets.  I would not build frames without the metal hardware.

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Offline AllenF

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Re: Building Frames
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2013, 04:22:18 pm »
Staples just hold the wood together until the glue sets.   
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Offline Cparagone

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Re: Building Frames
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2013, 04:33:52 pm »
In woodworking the metal, nails,staples,or screws, just hold the pieces together till the glue dries, the glue bond is stronger than the  friction bond that nails or staples provide, however I would not want to clamp each frame and wait till the glue dries either....
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Offline 10framer

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Re: Building Frames
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 12:30:33 am »
1-1/4" paslode trim nails no glue.  i've never glued frames and only started gluing supers and hive bodies this year because i'm using 2-1/2" trim nails instead of 8's (the frame nailer kept splitting wood when i used ringshanks).  the trim nails are held together with a glue and i think it gets heated by friction going in and re-sets after it cools down
i've only ever had a couple of frames pull apart on me. 
finski is right, we stapled everything when i worked for a commercial beekeeper, even supers.  it's all about speed.   
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