Jerry, that comment made me smile, spare the rod and spoil the child. Yep, yep, my kids got spankings, back in those days so long ago. They never turned out bad or hated me for that, hee, hee. The cane on the back of the noggin works too, hee, hee. Brian should try that technique for sure!!! :-D :-D :shock: Beautiful day in this life. Cindi