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Offline gottabee

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Queen Killer At Large
« on: May 14, 2007, 08:07:49 am »
I must have killed or lost 6 queens or so during the last two years. I have little feeling in my index finger from a snake bite. My other index finger shakes and she gets loose and I end up catching her with the other hand. When I catch a queen for marking I am afraid I am putting too much pressure on her and she ends up getting away. Sometimes I do put too much pressure on her and end up hurting her. She dies or they kill here when I return her to the hive. Maybe they kill her after I mark and clip her. I have watched 3 queens fly away never to be seen again. I have watched for workers to pick up the scent and follow her but no luck.
Any thought or suggestions on catching and holding queens other than "stop clipping and marking them". Thanks.

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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 08:14:45 am »
You can catch and mark a queen without touching them. Catch them in a hair clip queen catcher (available from many bee suppliers) put that, a marking tube and a marking pen in a queen muff (available from Brushy Mt.).  Run her into a marking tube (available from many bee suppliers.  Hold her with the foam rubber plunger and mark her.  Remove the tube from the queen muff and pull out the plunger with the tube facing down into the hive and let her run back into the hive.

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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 11:11:32 am »
Gottabee.  Oooooh, that snake bite sounds awful.  How did it happen?  Tell the story.

Check out what Michael said, he always has excellent info on his website.  Best of a beautiful day, great health, Cindi
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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 11:47:20 am »
you are doing this for your own hives?  don't mark or clip them.  don't know anyone who does that for their own hives and it seems to me to be a lot of extra work and risk for no overly compelling reason.
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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 01:46:31 pm »
Kathyp has a point. I had a hive with a clipped queen, hoping they wouldn't swarm. Two swarms later and I couldn't find any queens. I left 4 queen cells in thursday. I'll check again about sat, to see whats up. Will check again in another week, if no queen or brood, I will take a frame of eggs and brood from my best colony and give to it. Marking is a little different. Main reason for marking .
#1 is to keep up with the age.
#2 finding the queen, then some time that can be difficult.
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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 01:54:47 pm »
Did you bite the snake back?
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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 09:22:04 pm »
Thanks Micheal,
I'm gona give the clip and muff a try. Sounds like a queen saver to me.

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 10:34:55 pm »
Brendhan, Kathy,
About the snake, I did not bite it but I did take it to the hospital with me. I had always heard to take the snake with you for positive identification. Funny, no one told me to kill it first.

I had cleared some land for my house and was getting around to loading the fallen logs to haul them to the sawmill. My wife and 10 year old son were heading out to yard sales that morning. My son told me in a very casual voice told me "be careful dad I saw a copperhead on that log yesterday." I quickly dismissed his advise as teasing or perhaps he had spotted a wood lizard. I had all but one log loaded and was reaching underneath the log for the end of the logging chain when I felt a sting. My hands were covered with layers of grime so I could not see a wound. I figured it was a wasp or bumblebee or something. I continued to work and the pain began to shoot up my arm. My skin was turning black and red and my hand was swelling. Suddenly I remembered a soft voice saying "Be careful dad I saw a copperhead yesterday on that log." I stooped down and looked undeneath and there was the biggest copperhead I had ever seen. I pinned him to the ground and grabbed his throat and said come on boy were going to he hospital. I put him in a trash bag and locked up the house and told myself to remain calm. I was hurting but staying calm and doing pretty good. That is until we hit the main road and got behind a funeral procession. I began to wonder if I should just go ahead and follow the hurse into the cemetary. In a few miles they turned off and we drove on in. I got to the hosptial and grabbed old coppertop by the throat and into the emergency room we went. Now I dont know if you have ever seen anyone walk into the emergency room carrying a copperhead, but you sure do stand out in a crowd. Some little black kids in the lobby took off running down the halls screaming. The admitting desk attendand asked me to put the snake in the trash can so I could fill out the paperwork. She said she would be right back. A few minutes later the doctors and a few nurses came bursting out of the ER and I was beginning to think I might just survive. Yeap the calvary had arrived just in time and would start life saving procedures on me right away. Wrong, they rushed past me and gathered around the trash can like they had never seen a snake in their life. Once the thrill seeking medical team got their fill of snake viewing they calmly walked right by me and back into the ER. One doctor asked why did you bring the snake to the emergency room? Always a wise guy I said "he hasn't been feeling well lately." The doctor just nodded and disappeared. After about an hour I finally saw a doctor, that is after I was weighed, my temperature taken, and the nurse asking me if my condition was a recurring medical issue or if it ran in my family. The doctor looked at my now black and swollen hand, arm, and sholder and said he would need to call a specialist at poision control. After several calls and several conferences over several hours they decided to "wait and see." Later I figured out that wait and see means I get off in and hour and the next doctor can figure this out. In the mean while they took a Sharpie marker and outlined the areas of swelling every 30 minutes and wrote the time on each ring. THe doctor said you are a healthy guy and we believe you can survive this with no treatment. No one told me there was only a few doses of antivenom in the state and it had to be administered early. Maybe "wait and see" really means lets wait and see if he dies. Finally they decided to admit me to the hospital for observation, but asked me to remove the snake from the trash can first. Several says later I looked like a zebra with rings all over my body and they said I could go home. The nurses were much amused and loved to color outside the lines.  I was healthy and lucky to have survived dispite the medical care I received. I refused to allow my fingers to be amputated. Eventually a surgeon cut away the dead tissue and it healed reasonably well. The most lingering affect is the index finger between the tip and the first joint of my index finger. Oh yeah and I like to crawl out into the road at night and get warm. Oh and shed my skin each spring.
Now you know the story about how I became a Queen Killer. The most amazing thing is that it is all absolutely true. Truth is stranger than ficition and so is medical science.

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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2007, 10:51:14 pm »
Quite a story, Milton!   :-D  Thank goodness you're all right!

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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2007, 12:37:11 am »
Dude, (hope you don't mind me calling you Dude) I loved every bit of that story. You're lucky you were healthy, or you would have died in that hospital. But like others mentioned, if you don't need your queens marked, leave them bee. Enjoyed the story.
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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2007, 10:07:25 am »
Gottabee, I am astounded that snake venom can inflict such injury.  Thank for the wonderful story and I am grateful that you were healthy and made it through this ordeal.  We do not have any poisonous snakes in our immediate area that I am aware of, only the gardner snake, it only stinks when you pick it up.  It is a good deterrant for sure.  Have a wonderful day, great health.  Cindi
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Re: Queen Killer At Large
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2007, 10:15:52 am »
heheheh quite a story teller!

"no one told me to kill it first" Ahahahahah
you just gotta love the healthcare system, if your guts don't show...they really don't think it's urgent :roll:

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 09:39:05 am »
I like to know if the queen was replaced, superceded and how old she is.  Marking gives me all that information.
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