NWC's (and carnis in general) are not all black. There are always some brown mixed in. The queens vary from all black to black with brown stripes. AND, of course, if they are open mated they may mate with other drones. If most of the queens a producer are getting are black and a good portion of the workers are black that's about all you get with any Carnioians. I've had queens that were supposedly Carnis that were Cordovan. In theory Cordovan is a color, not a breed, but all the Cordovans I've seen were Italians. Was this one a carni? I don't know.