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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => EQUIPMENT USAGE, EXPERIMENTATION, HIVE PLANS, CONSTRUCTION TIPS AND TOOLS => Topic started by: The Bix on February 24, 2012, 08:50:05 pm

Title: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: The Bix on February 24, 2012, 08:50:05 pm

Does it make sense to put starter strips all around the inside of a foundationless frame instead of just the bottom of the top bar?  Would this encourage the bees to create more attachment points and increase the structural integrity of the combs?

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: S.M.N.Bee on February 24, 2012, 09:12:14 pm

Bix

Bees build from the top down. I'm not sure they would use the extra points.

John

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: Michael Bush on February 24, 2012, 09:13:37 pm

I think it's more work than it's worth.  But it will encourage attachments.  When I make my own bottom bars I make a beveled one.  It's no extra work.  I don't bother, though, on frames I buy.

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: The Bix on February 25, 2012, 09:41:32 am

Thanks!

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: Dogguy on March 05, 2012, 10:38:43 pm

What is the most common material used for the starter strip?

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: ShaneJ on March 06, 2012, 12:59:56 am

I've been thinking about using some balsa wood strips and see how it goes. I assume the strips don't have to be very strong?

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: Michael Bush on March 06, 2012, 01:15:00 am

>What is the most common material used for the starter strip?

I like wood, but wax is common.

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: Dogguy on March 06, 2012, 09:02:40 am

MB what type of wood do you use?  Also when you build them are you using a wedge top with a grooved or split bottom and how far does the strip come down from the top bar?  Thanks

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: Robo on March 06, 2012, 02:02:56 pm

Quote from: The Bix on February 24, 2012, 08:50:05 pm

Would this encourage the bees to create more attachment points and increase the structural integrity of the combs?

I have found that it does seem to create more attachment in my limited experience.  With that said,  I agree that it is not worth the effort.  If you are worried about structural integrity,  wiring the frames is easier and gives better results.

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Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: SEEYA on March 06, 2012, 07:35:56 pm

VERY impressive,  :shock: is that out of your double deep hive?

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: beyondthesidewalks on March 06, 2012, 08:03:45 pm

I tried cutting thin strips of foundation and putting them in the top bars of my frames.  Even sliced one side of the grooved frames off on the table saw, turning them into wedge tops, in an effort to get the strips of foundation to stay.  That didn't work well so I tried adding hot beeswax to "glue" them in and they still fell out.  Now I cut thin strips of standard 1X lumber and glue them in the grooves of my top bars.  Then I coat them with wax.  I also run two strands of 50# test monofilament line through the frame for comb support.  This year I bought some of the WTK foundationless frames, coated them with wax and added two runs of fishing line for comb support.  Too early to give a report on how well they did.  Anyone else have a report on WTK foundationless frames?

Title: Re: Foundationless Frame Construction - Starter Strips
Post by: Michael Bush on March 06, 2012, 10:52:16 pm

>MB what type of wood do you use?

Any.

>  Also when you build them are you using a wedge top with a grooved or split bottom and how far does the strip come down from the top bar?

All of the above.  Mostly I make mine a bevel, but you can turn the wedge on a wedge top, put a strip in a grooved top or put a bevel on any of them.