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[Jerrymac]

I have just got off the phone with a guy about 120 miles from me. He has bees in the attick  So now I have two colonies to collect soon.

[BigRog]

Good Luck!

[Jerrymac]

I might just have to cancel my package orders with R. Weaver. Got another call today from Brownfield about bees bugging the meter readers. Will go down Thursday to check them out.

I have not paid for the order of bees yet, would someone want me to redirect them to you, however that might be done, if I should decide to cancel?

They are the All American that R. Weaver has.

Also wondering if someone would be interested in sending me about ten sheets of foundation. Will gladly pay for them. Or could be drawn comb. I might have to get these bees pretty quick if I can and hopefully they will make it to spring time. Weather isn't too bad around here. Anyway I got foundation ordered, just found out the Credit card is messed up again, and won't get fixed until Tuesday of next week. As I haven't seen this colony yet I don't know if they have any comb or how much. The lady didn't even know how long they have been there. Just trying to open up some options should I need them.

Got about enough stuff together for two three deeps hives or three two deeps hives, or A combination of several sized hives. Got now three ferals colonies to collect. I think, the lady didn't even know if they were honeybees. They are in a duplex I guess she rents out. She sounded elderly on the phone and I think one of her tenants saw my sign I put up and told her about it. I should know more in a couple of days.

Yesterday I checked on the first colony I had phoned into me. It was late enough in the day that the sky was just starting to turn orange, and my temp-o-meter :D  said it was 64F. The girls were flying and carrying pollen. They were probably also out searching for water. I have thought about putting out a feeder and make sure they have water, but then thinking I might want to see it they manage to pull themselves through until spring time with out any help.

[Beth Kirkley]

Jerry-
You mentioned a need for foundation? But then said something about ordering some. I've got some new foundation in frames, if needed. But no clean comb - only what the bees are using. :)
If in a pinch, and no company can get it to you quickly, I could send it off to you. Even overnight if needed - but that always cost too ...... just an option.

Let me know if you need it.
FaithfulHearts1@msn.com

[Finman]

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Also wondering if someone would be interested in sending me about ten sheets of foundation.

If you are going to get so much new sbees, don't you need at least 50 foundations at first.  Every hive needs 4-5-6 box during season . It depends how good those feral bees are in brooding.

When bees start to raise brood the first enlarging must will be needed   4-5 weeks later.

[Jerrymac]

Thanks guys. I got it Beth you can erase it now if you want.

I do have foundation on order but I might not get it here for a couple of more weeks and this woman might want me to get these bees out of there in a few days. She says they bother the meter readers. I should know more tomorrow.

[Jerrymac]

I was asking the above because I figured if I got the bees in the box with empty frames they could start makeing comb all over the place. I have thought of a couple of options. There is a Hobby Lobby close by. They have wax foundation for people that want to make candles, probably not cheap. I could get a little of that and and make starter strips out of it or, I read someplace about placing a bead of melted wax along the top bar where you wanted them to work from and let them go at it.

Any thoughts?

Do you think the wax from Hobby Lobby is the real stuff?

[Finman]

If you are going to save in wax cost, you should know that when bees produce 1 kg wax, they need 6 kg honey.  10 langstroth foundations weights 1 kg.  They need another 6 kilos honey when they build foundations to combs.

That is why there is no reason to break combs when you take honey off.

As you see, comb building of hive takes a lot of honey.

[BigRog]

I've got 5 new frames with new wax foundation.
You're welcome to them.
give me a pm.

[Jerrymac]

Thanks Rog, I'll let you know soon.

Finman, I know what you say is true but this is a possible emergency situation, for the bees. If I don't go get them now, they probably will be exterminated soon. Why not give them a chance, as apposed to none at all.

Well as I was writing this I got another call. Got bees in the barn want them gone. Down at New Home. Possibly if colonies are not very big I can combine a couple. Will check out both of these tomorrow.

Now where was I???  OH yeah, about the honey consuption to produce comb. What is different from what I mentioned and what the top bar hive people do?

[Robo]

Now where was I???  OH yeah, about the honey consuption to produce comb. What is different from what I mentioned and what the top bar hive people do?

Nothing is different,  you don't see any top bar commercial beekeepers because it is not as efficient as Finman explained.

There is nothing wrong with what you plan on doing, as long as you understand the consequence.   There are two type of folks here.  Those that enjoy bees as a hobby, a get away from their normal stressful life, or as education  and those that are in it for profit.   Depending on what you are looking to get out of beekeeping will dictate what you do.

Folks in these fourms have to realize not everyone is in beekeeping for the same reason as them. So cut people some slack when their methods don't agree with yours.  They may be wrong for you, but not for them.

[Jerrymac]

Hey Robo,

 I wasn't jumping down anyones throat, and I know Finman makes his living from bees and expresses his oppions along those lines. I sure don't plan to start as a brand new beekeeper collecting wild hives, and in an experimental mode, and make money.

I also know that Finman is a serious person, and I am on the other end of the spectrum. I told someone the other day I need to practice putting in the smilies because I know how expression is not transmitted via the keyboard. I also told that person not to ever take me serious, OK enough of that. We all kiss and make-up now???  

It was a question, hoping someone would correct me if I was wrong. Because if these last two people want those bees out of there like NOW, I am wondering how I should go about it at this time of year, with no foundation. I am assuming that the bees do have some comb, possibly brood, pollen for sure, and perhaps some stores left.

[Horns Pure Honey]

Jerrymac is right, you all need to kiss and make up, lol, me and him did. At first we kept wanting to kill each other but we never showed emotion and thought each other where out to get us, now we might be partners in a company, we just talked and now we are friends. bye

[Jerrymac]

No Ryan, I wasn't after you, I was just joking around with you. You sort of remind me of a couple of my sons. Man they had a hard life with me picking on them all the time.  :lol:

[Horns Pure Honey]

Thats why I say you are more like an older brother, lol, bye

[Finman]

.. and I know Finman makes his living from bees and expresses his oppions along those lines.

I am not serious at all but if someone is delevering wrong advises to beginners, that is nice at all.

I am working truly in public works of City of Helsinki. I just run hobby with serious manner.  My measure of succeeding  is volume and quality of honey.  You can make all fool tricks, but how do you know that you are A GOOD BEEKEEPER? I dont want be MEDIUM . How do you know and how do you get feedback if you something wrong?  To whom are you listening, your bees or other beekeepers? - Boath I can say.

I am making wrong all the time, because bee do not act like you want.

To you Jerrymach I say, that you have no experience and you see your own truth (what ever it is) piece by piece, not as a whole.  Beekeeping will not go that way at all.

You must first learn how bees live over the year. When you have learned 3 years,  then you can try to leed them according your desire. Bee is stupid creature and some will not like the idea that you try to be their master. If you learn during 3 years, you are relly good.  To most 10 years are not enough and they never learn.

The way you read anothers opinions, fact, true stories, and you argue with your minimum knowledge , it is nice communication at all.

I like to teach beginners but not with your style. I keep hand off.  I am not here earning  bad mind to me or to others. To be like Berline wall between East and West.  You are a good writer, it makes nobody a beekeeper.  

Take a new course , please  :roll:

It was a question, hoping someone would correct me if I was wrong.

No one run after you and correct all what you are writing.

............with no foundation.

You can surely get foundations from hundred place. That cannot be any problem in our big country. It takes 2 days when post carries to me so much foundations as I order. Or I jump to car and pick them. Last I bought 150 lbs foundations and I gived my own wax to seller 120 lbs.

[Jerrymac]

I stand corrected as to how you make a living.

But now I am confused. Here I am talking about rescuing some bees to give them a chance before they are exterminated. We are not having the ideal weather for transfering bees. I don't have any foundation and the closest place I know of to get some is six hundred miles away. I have some on order but, as I learned, for some reason my credit card is messed up and not going through. My wife, who takes care of all that stuff, tells me it will be taken care of probably Tuesday. Then "if" the card works, someplaces (perhaps all) won't ship until there is warm weather to keep the wax from breaking. We could send a check but that will take a few days to get to them, then several more days for the check to clear the bank, then they process the order and at some point finally send it out.

Glad you like my style of writting.

As far as being a beekeeper and getting the job done I guess we will find out. How can you say I have failed when I haven't started yet? I have read much about various ways of beekeeping and with these different ways people claim success. A lot of them are different from your way of doing it. When I discuss, debate, argue about something, I am just trying to find out why a particular way is the "right" way. You are afraid us beginners are getting all the wrong information and you want to make sure we get the right information. I appreciate that. But I don't understand why some of this information is so wrong if people are doing very well with some of the "wrong" ways they are doing it. Just because it isn't your way?


You have kept bees for 40 years in Finland. Have you done it in West Texas? I think the climates are very much different and perhaps your way won't work here. Perhaps you way will work here, but a lot of it would not be needed.

Will you give me a chance to raise bees and see if I can make it to this time next year at least.

[Finman]

I
 How can you say I have failed when I haven't started yet?

I wonder, how you can you blame me zero-head after my 40 years experience and after my biology graduate in University? Just the way you attitude to others knowledge.  I read your lessons about genetics. Awfull!.

The is no right way. They are many, tens. Just you must learn to listen and then you pick the proper method from you tool box.

I use many tricks to my hives, not one or right. I have a big tool box. Not always with hammer.  

I have read much about various ways of beekeeping and with these different ways people claim success.  A lot of them are different from your way of doing it. When I discuss, debate, argue about something, I am just trying to find out why a particular way is the "right" way. You are afraid us beginners are getting all the wrong information and you want to make sure we get the right information.

Now it begans again.........blaa blaa...............

Just like discussing: Who has the best car!

Just because it isn't your way?

Blaa blaa. You have not abilyty to listen. You see only right or wrong way, not many or variations.

WE ARE NOT TALKING FROM ADULT TO ADULT. LOOK AT OUR AGES!

You have kept bees for 40 years in Finland. Have you done it in West Texas?

Surely Texas is much more easier to raise bees and in many ways  it is not different. But it was question about your knowledge, not Texas. You need many years practice, where ever you are.  

When you get medium yield 200 lbs from your hive, would you tell me how you did it.

I know that in your levels it is easy to get 600 lbs like Australians do, but first 200 lbs, try it.

[beemaster]

I must say that I have been quiet during this post - for not particular reason, just being a good reader. But my strange beliefs in all of us being creatures of conscience and energy, I have known many younger people with personalities way beyond their years.

It is interesting that there could be generations of age between people, but they can still have similar ethics, hobbies, movie and film preferences, food tastes, etc.. I'm not saying that REINCARNATION EXISTS, I think that does not occur, it is more like the thoughts and personality of other people and event the energy created by events which can find their way into empty vessels: like new borns, people with tramatic head injury and even aminals.

It is a human trait to "see" human-like traits in pets, I think that many of the time pets are born or make their way into families where the pets personality is needed to BALANCE the family - the term BALANCE is the key.

So could someone like Ryan have wisdom or a conscience well beyond his years - I think he can. I have seen this before and if he has a deep feeling of being "more of a brother than a son (or grandson) then maybe there is some small part of his being has had surpressed life experiences, which made its way into him at birth or some other time.

Just some more creepy Beemaster stuff to ponder. But I'm a firm believer that we are all the compilation of all that has come before us - and that energy makes its way into a balance across the Universe.

[Jerrymac]

I was gonna post in another topic that I was beginning to think Ryan has been pulling our legs. That he is actually many years older than he says he is.

Once again Finman I did not know that I was, nor did I intend to, insult your intelegence.

I didn't know I ever gave any "lessons" on genetics. Unless you are talking about my thoughts on evolution.

What you mentioned in your last post is what I do. I read a lot of stuff, I "listen" and absorb the information. Then I choose a direction I think I want to go from that information, that is what you are saying one should do, but when I anounce it, you come in saying it is wrong, wrong, wrong. Then you talk about all this stuff that is the right way to do things. Others have the right way of doing things, it works for them.

Two hungred pounds!?!?! :shock: Per hive??? I wasn't even dreaming of getting that much from four hives this first year. But if it happens I will sure let you know.    

Can we drop this and get on with discussing beecatching?