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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => EQUIPMENT USAGE, EXPERIMENTATION, HIVE PLANS, CONSTRUCTION TIPS AND TOOLS => Topic started by: paul- on May 20, 2004, 09:01:57 am
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I live in barbados and work as a cabinetmaker i also have a kitchen garden , but i am having problems with yields as i have veryfew bees in my area i am thinking of building a beehive [ ihave a source for getting a brood} i have seen many plans on the web but not sure what i should build?
{ i dont have a clue about beekeeping]
any help on what i should build would be great
thanks paul
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Welcome aboard!
You'll need to learn about beekeeping before you go TOO far, because you have to know what you want. Reading a few of these posts will probably convince you that there are many many ways to keep bees.
Don't be discouraged. Start with the typical and basic beekeeping methods, then you will develop your own style.
Typically, a bee hive is (starting from the bottom): a stand to keep the hive off the ground, a bottom board, a hive body or two (where the bees live and breed), supers (to keep their honey in), an inner cover, and a telescoping outer cover.
You will also need frames inside your hive body. Most people purchase these, because they're pretty cheap to buy, and labor intensive to make.
The plans:
http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm
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That seems to be the only place where I can find plans for a 10 frame Langstroth but they are not downloadable.
Anybody have plans that can be downloaded. I have a good little utility that will convert pdf to word files which makes it easier to manipulate.
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Those plans are downloadable. You just gotta right-click on "download PDF file" then click on "save target as"
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DOH!
I was right clicking on the first link not the link to the pdf
All I was getting was a html file
Thanks
Here's the link
http://www.beesource.com/plans/
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Paul,
You might also consider a top bar hive as an option. Here are a couple of links.
http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm
http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html
http://fire.prohosting.com/topbargu/index.html
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Robo,
as you seem to try many other things; have you also had top bar hives? Have read something about top bar hives before and got a bit curious. Would like to hear about any experiences.
eivindm
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The 10 frame Langstroth is the most common. If I had it to do over (I built my own hive boxes) I would build the Langstroth hive, but turn it 90 degrees so it sits like the DE hives.
The site at - http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm - is great and has links for several things you can build.
Beth
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If you go through the posts you will find a topic on Top Bar Hives with a site to link to.
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The 10 frame Langstroth is the most common.
This is true for the USA, but not sure how available Langstroth equipment is in Barbados.
Top bar hives provide a realatively simple approach to beekeeping where there is limited availability of manufactured pieces such as frames.
Robo,
as you seem to try many other things; have you also had top bar hives? Have read something about top bar hives before and got a bit curious. Would like to hear about any experiences.
Not yet, but it is on my list of things to do :D
I would like to build a top bar hive to use as the brood chamber and winter stores, but be able to put Langstroth mediums on top of to collect surplus.
What I find intriguing about the top bar hive is that it allows the bees to digress to their natural size, and it seems that they are much more vorroa resistant. The draw back of the top bar hive is the removing of surplus honey. It requires destroying the comb which is way to costly to the bees. That's why I would like to try some type of hybrid.[/quote]
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Hi Paul,
The best site on the web that I have seen for hive designs is Barry Birkie's site at www.beesource.com
He is evidently a professional draughtsman, because his 3D 'American Porjection' plans are the best I've ever seen. He has designs for Langstroth hives, Dadant hives, extractors, honey tanks, frames, . .everything.
One key point - Barbados is a very hot place, so I would consider a big, well ventilated hive with open mesh floors.
Top Bar Hives seem to be very popular in the tropics.
Best wishes
Graham
Scotland
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I am new to beekeeping, and will be moving to North Arkansas in the spring. Then I will begin this new adventure. I began making my hive today and measured wrong, of course I didnt realize it until it was together.. :x I am 1 1/2 inches too wide inside. It should be 14 3/4. Should I tear it down and trim it down or is it ok to leave it?
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Depends on your plans. If you intend to make all your equipment to match than it doesn't matter. Sounds like room for an extra frame. Perhaps Beth can share her measurements (Hive that is :shock: ) I believe she runs 11 frames.
If you plan on buying/aquiring standard Langstroth stuff, I would rip it down and trim it.
If it were me, I would correct it now and not keep building non-standard equipment.
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Somehow I knew it was gonna come to that :cry: I could put 11 frames in probably, but I best take your advice being as this is new to me and if I let it go I'll probably get myself in a jam later. Thanks for your help!!
I hope your here next time I need help. This is an awesome site , I'm learning alot.
Thanks again,
Debbie
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I can't remember on the hive (and never telling my size elsewhere Robo :) ). I do have 11 frames, and it works fine - actually like the extra frame. BUT I plan to always make my hives, and bottom boards, etc. so my mistake of making mine a tad too big didn't bother me too much. Hive bodies and etc. are so easy to make that I'd just rather do it than spend all that extra money. I'm not extremely good at building things though, so didn't make the frames (except for the T-bar type frames).
Beth
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I'm gonna go ahead and make the corrections, but thanks Beth, hope you can give me some pointers here and there. Im going to build everything I can, (except frames) they seem to be inexpensive. I worry about the extractor, still looking for a hand me down, even if its electric and the motor wont run. Im pretty mechanical. The smokers and everything else Ill try to get deals on, I have 7 months probably before we can move and I can get started.
Thanks for the pointers everyone, you are all great!!
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Ebay can be a good source for stuff.
And after you are registered you can make up a search name I used beekeeping and anything that came in with that name in it I got a email.
You don't see too many smokers but they are there now and then. You could also tell everyone what you want for christmas or birthday, that makes it easier.
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Yup the Christmas Birthday list works. i got all the smoker veil gloves helmit that way one year and a pair of deeps and supers plus frames for each the next year.
:D Al
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if I make a new screen name like uhh..."Charity" will ya'll donate?
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I'll "DONATE" as many suggestions as I can cmoe up with.
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Hey guys, I took care of the measurement problem, I have the hive boxes done, and the outer cover made, (except for the tin), starting on the bottom board. My family thinks Im nuts, because Im building this out of wood around the house, I wont be moving to Arkansas until the spring, its too late to do anything with bees now, and I wouldnt want o have to move them if I did get some. I am just really impatient when I get my mind on doing something, so to settle me down Im just building a hive. nuts huh? Louisiana stays warm for a while, I have worn shorts at Christmas. My landord(next door) has a tree full of bees down by the pond and bayou, Im going to put the hive there and see if maybe the bees will leave the tree and go in the hive. If the do, and they start working on the frames, Ill just give them to a local keeper. Like I said Im excited. I study about bees every night, I checked out books at the library, and purchased Beekeeping for Dummies. And of course Im here at this forum learning from the pros!! Thanks yall for all your help.
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well, I am almost finshed building my first hive. All I have left is what I call the landing strip. I have the aluminum for the top just got to put it on, and UPS will be here tomorrow with my frames from Dadant. Then Ill finsih up and set it out by the "bee tree" and see what happens. Any ideas about what to expect? The tree is full, Im hoping to get them to come into my hive raise a queen, and start a colony. Its warm here in Louisiana until sometimes after Thanksgiving. We have a few cool nights. Do you think Im nuts or do you think it may work?
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Unlees the "tree" swarms, they aren't going to move from the tree to your hive. If you want to get them out of the tree, your going to need to use the wire funnel method and buy yourself a queen. Or cut the tree down and cut it open and claim the brood comb.
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Sign in, We all would like to know you and follow your adventure.
Moving a hive isn't that bad, if you have questions ask. I just had a hive given to me from Beemaster. I live in VA and He is in mid New Jersey. about 300 mi. went without a hitch and we both learned a lot. Ask us
That is why we are here, to share our knowledge and experiences.
To see the post about the move, with pics, go here.
http://www.beemaster.com/beebbs/viewtopic.php?t=1257&highlight=
Buy the way B&B (Beemaster and Bigrog) Hive moving consultants is open for business! LOL
You can do IT!
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Twice now I have wanted bees to move from a tree into a regular bee hive. On both occations they have had ideas of their own and have found places in trees highup more to their liking. Yup should have split the tree trunk, carved the comb out and tied it into frames along with as many of the girls as I colud get in there.
Lesson learned for next time.
:D Al
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OK, I SEE. NOT A GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL LIKE THE NEW "CONDO" BETTER. oK bUT SEE THAT WAS SO EASY MY WAY. NOW YOUR TALKING ABOUT JUMPING RIGHT IN THERE WITH THEM BEES.. NOW YA GOT ME NERVOUS. mY PLAN WAS JUST TO SET UP THE HIVE, NEXT TO THE TREE, THE BEES CHECK IN AND HOMESTEAD THERE. SIMPLE. NOW I GOT TO GO GET THE BEES. WHEW , GOTTA BUILD UP MY COURAGE!!!
MY FRAMES CAME TODAY, YAY!! MY BEE JACKET AND HOOD, SMOKER, FOUNDATION. SO LAST MINUTE THINGS TO DO AFTER WORK, AND IT WILL BE READY TO GO. HOW LONG WILL I SIT THERE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING BEFORE I GET THE COURAGE UP TO MESS WITH THE BEES? I DONT KNOW......LOL....LOL....
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WHEN I MOVE TO ARKANSAS, WHAT WOULD BE BETTER TO PROTECT MY APIARY? ELECTRIC FENCE (EXPENSIVE) OR CHAIN LINK FENCE, (PROBABLY EXPENSIVE). THE PROPERTY WE ARE TRYING TO GET HAS 2 HIVES ON IT, THAT ARE VERY HEALTHY, THE MAN MAY LEAVE THEM THERE FOR ME. :D
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BIGROG,
REGARDING TRANSPORTING THE BEES ACROSS STATE LINES.
ARE THERE ANY RULES AND REGS, OR PERMITS YA NEED WHEN YOU TRANSPORT THEM LIKE THAT?
ILL BE RIDING ALONE WITH THEM , FAMILY ALREADY SET ME STRAIGHT LOLOLOL
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Most states have restrictions regarding moving bees across state lines. Normally you must get a state bee inspector to examine them before you can move them. He can issue you a certificate that they are healthy. You must check with any state that you transport them fhrough to find out the regulations for that particular state.
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Well I was supposed to have the hive inspected before it left Beemasters beeyard and have it inspected here as well, you would have to look into your stae regs as well as Arkansas's. The inspection is no big thing, but they do a very thorough job and look all through your hive. In your new home the State Apirist can more than likely steer yo to beekeeping clubs and /or experienced beekeepers in your area as well as give you a bit of education as well. From what I have heard around here, The apirists are mostly interested whether or not your hive is healthy. You can try to contact your state or county aparist to find out.
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Ok ya'll, I got my frames together, got the metal on the outer cover. I have to make my stand, and I got my gallon size pickle jar for my feeder. It fits good . I can't wait.. I think Im gonna make a bee -vac, and get those bees out of that tree. Its a small hole. May be easier. Think I'll get the queen???? If I suck em up with the vac, and get the queen, in the process, do you think they will start making comb in the new hive? Theres no way for me to get any brood from the tree without cutting it down. My landlord would have a cow. His wife is already stressing because we have alligators in the pond in the back yard. lol I got lines set to catch him. I plan to take some pics and show you my hive, but remember, be nice, Im new at this, and not a wiz at measurements and all. I did my best. Its been a learning experience and its been fun.
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Not to discourage you, but I doubt the bee vac will work. You would need some heck of a suction to pull the bees off the comb from outside the tree. Even if you could establish that much suction, it would liquify the bees when they hit the vacuum wall :shock:
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Can't wait to see your pics. I'm sure your hives are fine, how do the frames fit?
Get a pic of your alligators too!
This is my first year so I know how exciting it is. If you don't get the queen the bees will just return to where she is.
How big is the entrance to the Hive in the tree?
Can you see inside?
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I definately don't want to discourage you, but I don't think the bee vac plan will work. At least not the way you mentioned it. I know you're ready to go, but your better options would be to wait until spring and either buy bees or catch a swarm. The bees in that tree could be used, BUT you really would need to cut the tree down - and I know that's not really an option. You do need some brood to keep the bees in their new hive. The queen and the brood are all the bees live and die for.
Is there a possibility you can find someone in your area that has bees? It's kinda late in the year, but MAYBE someone has a strong hive they would split. I don't know for sure if it would work, but if it was split maybe the bees would still start a queen off the young larvae.
I do hate to say this, :oops: but if I were you, I'd just spend the winter learning all I could about bees. You can day dream about bees, read about bees, cover your house in pictures of bees - what ever it takes to chill out that NEED to have bees RIGHT NOW. October is just not the time to start a new hive - too many factors might make it a complete imposibility.
I don't blame you on the excitement. Many of us were the same way. Once we decided we wanted bees, there wasn't anything that was going to stop us - it's a very strange addiction. That - or it could be a personality trait :oops: LOL - cause my husband and I are getting a little bit that way with an idea of having meat goats. We can't get the goats till spring, but every extra nickle right now will be invested in post and fencing to prepare for the goats.
Beth
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LOL BETH :lol:
I can tell you have been where I am lol. I don't think the bee pics around the house , but I do research every day, steadily finding books, the web, this forum, etc. It is driving me nuts. I realize that my plan probably won't work, and it is late in the season, but in Louisiana its warmer than the north, I have worn shorts up until January. So I thought maybe I could get one sarted wnough to winter over. That would give me some hands on. I can read and research, but until I get my hands in it some things dont register. It's true, how you get addicted. I am not an insect lover, believe me, but when I started checking bees out it was just like a drug, I am fascinated. and now... I have a complete hive sitting in the shop, waiting for bees... That is REALLY driving me nuts. I probably shouldnt have built it but you know how it is. Thanks for all your advice. Fell free to throw more this way!!
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I went out in the pond yesterday, no sign of my new pet (alligator), but as soon as I spot him or catch him Ill send the picks. Have any of you ever tasted fried gator? If you haven't you're missing out!! May yeah Sha!!!
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My friends and relatives don't consider my addiction to bees a personality trait, they consider it a character flaw.
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I have had alligator andouille and it was great.
You can find more info about beekeeping in your area and maybe hook up with a experienced beekeeper in your area
Louisiana
http://www.labeekeepers.org/
Arkansas
http://www.arbeekeepers.org/
I'm sure you can find all you need to know about local info including whatever redulations are in place.
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LOL - yeah, people think I'm pretty weird to have bees. :) And some think that I must be SO brave. I don't really like bugs either, but I started researching bees to use in our greenhouse for strawberries, and got HOOKED!
I live in Georgia, and the bees do pretty much the same thing here as anywhere else. They do spend more time out of the hive, do a little foraging, and eat way less honey over the winter down here in the south. But one thing for sure they do that's the same is that they get themselves READY for winter come begining of September. The queen stops laying as many eggs, and they start kicking out the drones. This is pretty much universal for anywhere, even though the south is so much warmer. One thing that they do that's extra, is that they begin laying eggs much sooner. My hives starting growing like crazy in Febuary, and swarmed March 17th last year. In some areas of the world (many areas) they still have lots of snow about that time.
Beth
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I know all about the excitement of wanting to get bees from a tree. Yes bees in a tree is what got me hooked too. Since I live here in the north I cut my own fire wood and cruise my woods daily. I take my dogs for walks twice a day, looking all the time for the trees which will become my winter heat. There was this old oak tree with the top broken out I had targeted for the fall of 2002 and a big Ash that had broken off at the stump and was laying in trees around it. While I was figureing out just how I was going to get that oak down I saw it was a bee tree so it was spared, The ash on the other had showed me no sign it had bees in it. I discorved them after it was on the ground and I had cut off about 14" of the comb.
I didn't want them to die, so I looked for help saveing them. I found that help and was encouraged to get them in a hive come spring if they lived. They lived but wouldn't go in the hive, having a mind of their own as to what makes a good home. I bought a nuc for my start, they didn't make it thru my bungling first winter so I started over this spring. Today thanks to some very nice bee keepers I have 5 colonies with plans for 7 more next year.
I recommend you take the winter time to find a bee keeping club, or at least a mentor, who keeps bees, get first hand help for your first year. The people on this site are some of the smartest bee keepers I know but they can not look inside your hive with you and show you some thing that is wrong. They can not smell what you are smelling when you open the hive. Unless you think you have a problem and show a picture they can't advise you on a fix. Case in point is I sent a picture to a on line bee keeper who helped me save those bees in a tree for the winter asking about some grainy stuff on the landing board. He to this day never has told me what the grainy stuff was but saw I had chalk brood and told me to vent the hive more to stop it. I never knew I had a problem. Find a Mentor.
See my post, http://www.beemaster.com/beebbs/viewtopic.php?t=1368 I recived no answer as to what is going on.
I'm calling a club member this morning to see if he can tell me what I'm seeing.
:D Al
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good advice , thanks
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Ok Ok, yall slowed me down, I took a deep breath, and Im gonna try to research only. But I gotta ask, I put my foundation in my frames. Will it be ok until spring? Do I need to do anything to protect it? I hate to take it all apart, and mess stuff up
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Glad to see you'll be able to cope with the wait (for today anyway). :) Spend the winter with us, read old posts, research all over the net, and just learn learn learn. You'll have a good time visiting during the winter months with some really fun people on this forum. Maybe this winter we'll actually get the chat room going good since most people will be stuck inside. Alot of us are "outdoorsy" people, with gardens, or we hike, hunt, do woodwork, or whatever - so the warm weather has us outside. But the cold will bring us in, and boredom (and ideas) will set in. Before long we'll all be chatting about what plans we have for spring - concerning bees, flowers, vegetable gardens, bee hive designs, and of course bee hive splits for expansion.
Welcome aboard. MANY people on this forum didn't have hives for the first few months after joining, and I think there are still some that are waiting until spring for their first hive, even though they joined during the summer.
And check out the many other forums through the main site. There's stuff for nearly every one - cooking, gardening, christian fellowship, and more. Plus, if there's an idea you have, send it John's way (Beemaster). He may be willing to start other sections or forums if it seems interesting.
Good to have ya' here. :)
Beth
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I for one won't bee cooped up inside during the winter Unless we get a lot of rain rather than snow. I use the winter to cut next years wood supply up (am falling the culls now) for one thing. Nothing like being in the woods on a cold winter day and listening to the pop of trees from the remaining sap freezing, or how warm one gets from slinging a 8 pound splitting maul.
Then there are the other fun things, snowmobiling and cross country sking. One thing I like is a new snow fall as I have the excuse to fire up one of my old tractors to plow my drive and a couple of other peoples just because I like to work those old tractors.
Out in the work shop there is no phone or other distractions so I can work on one of the old tractors with out interuptions.
Yup winter here is just as busy as the summer and for the most Part out side as much.
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:D Al
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al. first of all where are you located. Second, I noticed you didnt wrap tar paper or anything around your hives , and they are in the snow they at ok like that? I will be moving to North Arkansas in the spring, and will be in the Ozarks, should I wrap my hives over the winter there or will they be ok? They say that it only snows a few times a year and the snow only lasts a few days.
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Im in Michigan, winter temps (here) average mid 30'sF during normal winters. The Picture was taken after the first snow of December while I considered it still warm with day temps still getting into the 40F area. I did wrap them latter in the month. In Oct. I installed the dogeared fence as a wind block to the north and west of the hives. I really think in my case the wind block is the most important. I stain my hives dark, the bees glue up all the cracks with propolis. From what I have read on tar paper the benifit is The dark paper asorbs the suns heat and helps keep the inside of ther hive warmer on sunny days.
What you have to watch out for with wrapping is not to close off the entrance and the upper ventalation holes.
Since I am so small at bee keeping I would really like to build a leanto building faceing south with sliding doors I would open in the morning on nice days and close them on extra cold days, just leave them open in the spring and summer. Reall the price considering the cost of package bees isn't that far out of line.
That works for one fellow I know who has a old dairy barn where the bees are kept in the winter. John Vavain the author keeps his bees in his basement in the winter.
:D Al
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thanks for the reply, Nice pics, . I don't think my family would be very happy with me if I had bees in my basement. They have let me know the only parts they will help with is the extracting, and eating. lol
How long have you had bees? I wont be starting until the spring, and may get lucky and inherit 2 strong hives that are on the property we are buying. Have you used anything for mites? What have you used and has it been real successful? I am researching all this now and there are many out there. Trying to see whats safer for my future bees, and for humans that will consume the honey.
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I don't think my family would be very happy with me if I had bees in my basement.
I have been keeping nucs in my basement for a few years now, without a hitch
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I have also experimented with different mite treatments thru the years and I am currently using oxalic acid in the interim until I can regress my bees down to small cells.
http://robo.hydroville.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8
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Use those links and get in touch with a local club.
Things are different in different locals so the local informaiton is important. you can prob be in contact and maybe even join a local beekeeping club in Arkansas now, their newsletter should have some good info.
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ROBO,
I have a question. I have already placed my foundation in my frames, will they be ok until spring? Can I just put them all in a cardboard box and seal it up until I can use them?
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If they are wired, I would leave them in the super (so they are vertical) and they should be OK.
If they are not wired, they might warp.
Wax moths will not bother undrawn foundation.
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THEY ARE THE DURAGILT FOUNDATION, THEY HAVE THE METAL ON THE ENDS, HOPE THEY WILL BE OK, THANKS.
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You should be fine. Duragilt has a plastic core so it shouldn't warp under normal conditions.
I am not fond of Duragilt, but I guess this is a pro for it. You can store it over the winter 8)
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why are you not fond of duragilt? I am new to this so share your wisdom please. lol
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It has a flat plastic center (no cell impressions), so if it is not put on when there is a nectar flow, the bees tend to strip the wax off and will never build comb on it once stripped.
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I see......hmmmmm
Well I already bought enough for 20 frames, and by the time we get moved there should be a nectar flow, so Im hoping it will be ok. BUT, if I ever order any more , what do you recommend oh wise one? lol
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Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer crimped-wire wax foundation for the price.
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I have to agree with Robo. I have duragilt in my hives, and I don't care for it at all. It's a real dilema, because drawn comb is an extremely valuable resource. However, I have purchased a case of kd frames and wire, and I'll be assembling and wiring on these cold winter nights. My plan is to make a first regression on my bees as I cull the duragilt. I may even have to move the duraglit up and use the dreaded queen excluder!!!.... whoa is me.
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Thanks guys, I guess when the time comes (spring) I'll have to make to with what I have, I didnt know . I know Ill be contacting you guys before I invest any more money LOL
Well "The Hive and The Honey Bee " came in today. Got alot of reading to do. Thats a huge book. Adding it to my collection. Hope I have it read before spring.
Talk to you later, 2 am is not far away gotta get some zzzzz's, so I can get to work
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I buy pre-assembled frames with Rite-Cell foundation from Mann Lake Ltd. They work fantastic. No pins needed. No wires. And they hold together just perfect even being run around in a honey extractor.
And...... when it says "wax moths can not damage", they're right. I had about 7 frames sitting in the laundry room for several weeks. I had been meaning to put them back in the hive, but we had too much bad weather with the two tropical storms (from the hurricanes). When the weather was better, I went to get them out and put them in the hive. But I found wax moth larvea, and all this webbing had totally messed up the wax. But when I went to clean the mess up, it was SO easy. The wax moths had eaten at the wax, and woven the silk all through it, and this mess just simply peeled right off the plastic foundation. NO damage to the foundation at all.
Beth
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Cool, thanks Beth. I never paid attention to where you were from. We are almost neigbors. I went to Atlanta Last January, to the Americas Mart for my store. My nephew is living in Atlanta now.
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You've got a few people in your state on this forum too. Take a look at this map one of the members did. It's great! Not all the members are listed on it, but not all the members have told where they're from either.
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~eivindm/diverse/beebbs/beemaster_map_usa.gif
And the map for all the members around the world is here:
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~eivindm/diverse/beebbs/beemaster_map.gif
I live about 2 1/2 hours south of Atlanta, in a little town no one ever visits. :) I like it that way though - quiet, and no pollution.
Beth
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Hre is the link to where the members are.
This text file will tell you who is where
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~eivindm/diverse/beebbs/beemaster_stats.txt