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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. => Topic started by: danno on April 17, 2012, 01:51:50 pm
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Got a call on a swarm yesterday afternoon. First of the year. Imagine my suprise when I got there and there was a 2nd one just alittle ways away.
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Swarm season started here this week with my bees leaving on me. Be sure you have a look at all of yours to check for cells. That one was some of my best bees. I'm angry off at myself about it.
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I am going to start supering this weekend.
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Danno, I need some of them bees. Catch them on Monday and putting on supers the next weekend. Ha Ha Yep have had some of my bees to fly off. Good luck with all of yours.
Joe
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I have about 40 colonies with 3/4 of them boiling over. If I dont get queens soon I will be in trouble
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I've already had to super some hives. Flip side, I have one I WANT to start making queen cells that is being stubborn. I don't see how they can even walk in there, it is so crowded. Patience.... they will when they want to, I guess.
JC
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shook swarm #3 last night. So far I lost one of mine (that I know about) but the 3 I caught were not from my colonies so I'm plus 2
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My queens are late coming too. I ended up doing my splits last weekend. They will just have to raise their own till my load gets here. Lost three to swarms already. Supered the rest and have been pulling frames out to make room. Hard frost coming tonight again. I like the normal spring better than this crap. :(
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danno, almost forgot. Don't just super, you need to look at them for swarm cells first. Just adding supers is how I lost the three. They had enough cells built to requeen half my group. Out of nucs now.
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Yes you will need to look for swarm cells, sunday a week ago I had 3 hives this past sunday I had 9. Had 6 good size swarms from mine in 1 week, did catch them. But running out of boxs. Last saturday nite was local bee club meeting, a 82 year old beek there had lost his bees so I gave him 2 swarms. Good luck with yours.
Joe
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Our weather has just sucked. Right now its cloudy 42 deg and gust in the 30MPh range. This is almost been the norm with about 1 day a week nice enough to look through monster colonies without getting mauled. Last night I shook that swarm in the rain. I know I have a bunch of swarm cells. I want to split this weekend and queens should be here about tues. I have a bunch of empty nucs and will stock them with frames with cells.
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I didn't have a choice. It was do something cause they were leaving town. I just dug out my suit and went to work.
I never wear the thing and it's still white colored. Using less smoker makes finding the queen less difficult.
After the first few, went smokeless and just let them bounce off of me. :-D
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well my queens are being shipped from HI on Monday so I should be getting them on Thurs. Not a moment to soon. Terry I was in GR last week and have to say that the 90 miles you guys are south of me is a huge difference in weather. Living on Lake Michigan always put us at least a week behind you guys. I think I should be ok
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I've been behind in my keeping for a few weeks now. We normally have queens when we do splits. This will make more work for me this way. I'm shopping for lumber to build more nucs today. I'll need somewhere to put the queens they are making on there own. Still waiting for the pick them up call.
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I caught swarm #4 last night. This one came from one of mine and was the size of 2 basketballs.
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danno, got your message, I have not caught one swarm yet. The pollinator down the road only brought back 100 nucs instead of full size hives this spring. He was the main source for my spring swarms. Guess he got tired of losing bees and figured it out. I have traps at numerous places that have caught swarms in the past.
Dandelions are about done for the season down here.
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New yard is set up with 5 pallets in place. Weed wacking is done. Trailer is loaded with split boxes. Tues split the hives with 3 or 4 frames each. Set up new yard and replacments in old yards late tuesday and Friday queens will be here from HI.
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Well, sounds like the real bee work is about to begin for ya danno! I worked my tail off digging through mine. Hard work throwing boxes around, but fun at same time. Won't be many from my groups thinking about leaving for a while now.
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I wanted to be quick and organized doing splits so I bought thumb tacks and pressed them in the frames that come out of the split boxes. Had second thoughts though. I'm going to the new yard 1st today and placing hive bodies on all the pallets then filling them with frames leaving the center empty. This will cut down on the lifting. It nice to have a extra hundred hive bodies laying around. Caught another swarm last night. Basket ball size. This one was in a pine tree about 30+ ft up. I was about 2 ft short with my paint pole and bucket setup so got a step ladder. Thats #5 and the traps have not even started working yet
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Splits are finished on the only sunny day this week. This is the last year I'm doing splits with 10 frame boxes. It was a motrin evening!!! I have almost enough nuc's to do my yearly splits but end up using to many for swarm traps. For next year I will build enough luan swarm traps that I dont need nuc's. Also will make sure I have 24 nuc's ready for splits. Only found queen cells in one colony.
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So, I finally caught #1 tonight just before the thunderstorm. Was about 4lb. Had to stand on a fifty gallon drum to reach them. I got soaked walking back to the truck. Maybe my luck is gonna change after all.
I'm selling 1lb jars with snap caps as fast as I can fill them. I think everyone else sold out long ago.
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swarm #5 a really big one this afternnoon most likely one of mine and #6 just after dinner. Swarm traps all have scouts working them.
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I have a few scouts checking traps also. Maybe things will kick in finally.
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I topped 70 colonies last night. Swarm six spend the night in a nuc in the woods. They were alittle to hot for the shorts I was wearing last night. Went and got them at 7:00 this morning. Got them home and went to set them up in 10 frame and I was out of covers. I headed to the wood shop and built one more. At this point I'm ready to pull my swarm traps and shut my phone off. Just alittle tired of bee's right now. The 30 - 40 stings I took yesterday has kinda taken the wind temporarily out of my sails. Guess the stings didn't bother me as much as the 2 ticks.
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The wood ticks are thick down here this year. I rather get stung than have lime disease any day. I'm needing a break myself with a bad case of poison Ivy on my hands. Never used to be a problem until a few years ago.
Dan, sounds like you need to start looking for a Bobcat or a Swinger for your operation.
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danno, well you must have started something with this thread. I put #4,5,6, into equipment this afternoon. One at my yard and two five miles away. Glad I had the pole bucket with me on all of them. Much easier than climbing a ladder. They were all about 12 to 15 feet up. All were 3lb. plus, the largest had 3 queens with them. I've been out of nucs and have been using full size boxes on any swarms caught now. No stings yet! :-D
I don't have time to mess with any more and will be giving away any more captures to beeclub members.
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I went to my new yard and pulled 16 empty queen cages out. Got back in the truck turned on the AC and took the jacket off. Just getting ready to pull out when I saw swarm #7 five ft off the ground just behind one of my pallets. I also used my pole bucket without the pole. Everyone should have one of these in there truck this time of year. snapped the lid on and they got to ride in the cab with AC. Bee's attract bee's. This didn't come out of any of my colonies.
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I've been marking all my queens last few years so I can maybe tell if they came from my setup. Those years with yellow and white are my favorites. The bucket is my main tool in swarm capture lately. In a pinch you can just duct tape a pole to the outside of the bucket. Every beekeep needs a big roll of duct tape handy too.
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One other thing I do is to cut a round hole in the top and bottom and cover with hardware cloth. When you got them just snap the top on and take them home! :-D
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I have a screened top. In the bucket I hole sawed 4 - 2" holes and screened them. The bottom has a disc of plywood with the thread from a paint roller handle glued in the center. This threads on to broom handles, telescopeing paint poles or as with last night no handle at all. I tripod type string harness is connected to the inside of the lid and tied to a single string that runs through a hole in the bottom of the bucket. Just a little pull of that string flips the lid on.
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swarms 7 and 8 yesterday. First one in a trap and the 2nd about 18 ft up and dumped in the pole bucket
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I'm still sitting on 6 swarms so far, gonna work hives this morning with no rain coming. Got to get gone and back for the mothers day events coming!
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Brand new beekeeper from Missouri. Bought one package of bees that arrived last Monday but have 5 traps out of the farm and not caught anything? What are you using for bait in your traps? I have put in lemon grass oil and one type of pheromone but there was only a drop or two of liquid in the pheromone tube?
Appreciate any suggestions. Thank you and good luck this season. By the way, my "boughten bees" are packing in the yellow/orange pollen and the white pollen from the wild blackberries.
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I topped 70 colonies last night. Swarm six spend the night in a nuc in the woods. They were alittle to hot for the shorts I was wearing last night. Went and got them at 7:00 this morning. Got them home and went to set them up in 10 frame and I was out of covers. I headed to the wood shop and built one more. At this point I'm ready to pull my swarm traps and shut my phone off. Just alittle tired of bee's right now. The 30 - 40 stings I took yesterday has kinda taken the wind temporarily out of my sails. Guess the stings didn't bother me as much as the 2 ticks.
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Brand new beekeeper from Missouri. Bought one package of bees that arrived last Monday but have 5 traps out of the farm and not caught anything? What are you using for bait in your traps? I have put in lemon grass oil and one type of pheromone but there was only a drop or two of liquid in the pheromone tube?
Appreciate any suggestions. Thank you and good luck this season. By the way, my "boughten bees" are packing in the yellow/orange pollen and the white pollen from the wild blackberries.
I use lemon grass oil and old comb. Dark brood comb. My traps are all 5 frame and work well. I know I have missed some really big swarms by not having enough space in a 5 frame. I just dont want to lug big equipment around and try to hang them in trees. I had on huge swarm 2 years ago the fill the box and 1/2 hung off the bottom and built open air comb
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I also just use lemongrass and a few frames of old comb. Most of mine are a little larger than a deep hive body this year. Just thought I would try some bigger ones to see if it made any difference. All this year so far have been hanging from a tree branch when I found them. I call them bucket swarms.My swarm capture has slowed up now though.
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Just got a email on swarms 9 and 10. Hope they will be there after work today. One is up one a fire place chimney in the same location that I took one last year. The other is in the same property hanging in a pine tree.
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A crazy thing happened to me yesterday. I was in the middle of a large honey do project when a swarm came through my property. I checked my colonies and all look normal. I watched to see where they would settle down and it appeared to be under my canoe laying upside down by the barn. I figured I would come back later and catch them. A few hours later when I flipped the canoe they were all gone. A trace of wax told me they had been under there abit and weren't coming but instead leaving.
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just went after one that was almost gone when i got there. they'd been down in the grass the the picture the guy took had it a good size swarm. oh well....and bless him...he didn't call me to tell me they were leaving because he though i might want the few that were left :-D
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caught # 9 as expected, hanging on the side of a chimney just like last year, but #10 had left sometime during the day.
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Hived swarm #16 tonight. I’m really getting a little exhausted catching swarms. Got a call from a friend of a friend with a swarm of bees in a tree in Williamston, MI (Outside of East Lansing). The bees were in a tree, head level; an easy catch for some beek. I’m about 45 minutes from Williamston and really don’t need any more bees (I need more boxes :() so I was in the process of posting his swarm and contact number here on BeeMaster when I get another call from him. It was almost like he saw an angel, he was just in awe. The swarm had taken off into the sky like a tornado of bees (his words) as he was watching. He was amazed. He said in his 52 years, he’s never seen anything like it. Bees are amazing.
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I'm up to somewhere around 35 catches, but about 15 were from my own hives :'( , I flunked swarm management terrible this year.
On a positive note I think I caught all of my own swarms though except one.
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I lost what must have been a massive one last week and got about a four pounder back today. I don't know how they got my name!
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Brand new beekeeper from Missouri. Bought one package of bees that arrived last Monday but have 5 traps out of the farm and not caught anything? What are you using for bait in your traps? I have put in lemon grass oil and one type of pheromone but there was only a drop or two of liquid in the pheromone tube?
Appreciate any suggestions. Thank you and good luck this season. By the way, my "boughten bees" are packing in the yellow/orange pollen and the white pollen from the wild blackberries.
I use lemon grass oil and old comb. Dark brood comb. My traps are all 5 frame and work well. I know I have missed some really big swarms by not having enough space in a 5 frame. I just dont want to lug big equipment around and try to hang them in trees. I had on huge swarm 2 years ago the fill the box and 1/2 hung off the bottom and built open air comb
I am new and don't have any drawn comb. We have an old house on the north side of the farm that has had bees in the side wall for almost 40 years. The roof fell in last winter and we open the sidewall and it was full of comb that had molded. The bees came back when it warmed up and were flying all around. Could I put some of the molded comb in he trap with the lemon grass oil?
The blackerries are almost gone and now the yellow sweet clover is starting to bloom and the bees are hitting it hard!
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I am new and don't have any drawn comb. We have an old house on the north side of the farm that has had bees in the side wall for almost 40 years. The roof fell in last winter and we open the sidewall and it was full of comb that had molded. The bees came back when it warmed up and were flying all around. Could I put some of the molded comb in he trap with the lemon grass oil?
The blackerries are almost gone and now the yellow sweet clover is starting to bloom and the bees are hitting it hard!
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Yes using pc's of the old moldy brood comb will improve your odds The only down side is a new swarm will make a mess out of it. If you wire or rubberband some in empty frames it will help get them on track. For the lemon grass use a pc of cloth or cotton ball to hold it and just push it in the enterance. I also dribble some down the front of the trap
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Thanks, Danno, appreciate the help. Going over to the old house this evening and getting some of the "old comb" out of the side wall. I have the lemon grass oil and the frame.
Fed the "boughten bees" yesterday afternoon and the frame feeder got stuck in the box while I was trying to fill it. Ended up drowning a few bees and got stung on the hand by one. I think I had the smoker too hot, also. Took me 10 or fifteen minutes when it should have taken just a few. Very dissappointed in my performance. A few bees crawled in the feeder when I had the top of the frame feeder off filling it. Very discouraged that I killed some of them.
I got a entrance feeder with the new hive but some said the "local bees" would robe the food so I got a frame feeder. Pretty disappointed in it. I guess I should have taken it farther from the hive to fill it up, but then was afraid to keep the top open too long. Didn't want my queen to fly off.
I put the queen excluder on the bottom so she couldn't get out the bottom of the hive. Will move it up to the top if the new bees can fill the first two boxes. I didn't want to bother the bees more that I had to so haven't checked to see if they are filling the frames but I see lots of bees bringing in pollen so I assume the queen is in there and things are OK? Only filled the feeder and haven't moved any of the frames. They are really tight in there with the frame feeder. Thanks, again, and "good luck this year".
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get a big jar. poke hole in the top with a push pin of finishing nail. put it over the inner cover. you don't even need to put an extra box over if the weather is good. cheep and easy + you can see what they take without opening the hive.
you will kill some. sometimes, as i just did, you'll kill one on purpose. pinged me all the way back to the barn and died for the effort. if you are slow and careful you'll learn to kill fewer.
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As Kathy stated hive top feeding is the best way to go. At least in my opinion. I use miller top feeders, 2 gallon plastic pales w/ stainless screened plugs and one gallon paint cans w/ a few finishing nail holes punched in. You will also get used to accidentally killing a few here and there. Just wait until the end of summer when your colony reaches max population. You will not be able to put the clover back on without smashing some. I would also remove the excluder as soon as possible. Not really necessary on the bottom. Then research abit about using it on top. I think more people dont use them then do. I'm one of the never use them guys
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Had that feeling this afternoon about 2:00, thought I'd walk some of my traps. Found #7 hanging in a tree not 10 feet from a swarm box. Can't figure out why they just didn't land in the trap. Gentle as kittens this afternoon, but were waiting for me at dusk.
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Thanks, Kathy and Danno, I will try that in a few days after they eat down the sugar water that I put in yesterday. I will also take out the queen excluder from the bottom at the same time. Since the bees are bringing in pollen and necter I assume they are building comb and the queen starting to lay. I got the "new bees" in the mail on Monday, May 6th, and checked that the queen was out of the cage on Sunday the 13th. I have large bottles that I can use on top. I want to take out the frame feeder and put the wooden frame back and try feeding from the top. I SLOWLY put the top cover and top back on but did mash a few. Your ideas will stop that!
When should I check for eggs or larve? I don't want to bother the bees anymore than necessary? They are bringing back lots of yellow sweet clover pollen now. The wild blackberries blooms are almost done now. They like the sweet clover alot better than the red clover. They are flying by the red clover going to the sweetclover.
Danno, I see you are from Ludington, MI. Several years ago we went up the west coast of Michigan along Lake Michigan though your town, Holland, and the other towns along the way. You are in beautiful country with wonderful towns. We really enjoyed our trip to Michigan. Thanks again, Kathy and Danno - will try your suggestions.
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Swarm #10 last night hanging on a low bush with #11 and #12 in traps. I will leave the traps until Sat to give them time to settle in
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Dan, that pic acts funny when you click on it.
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hey Terry
What do you mean by funny?
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When I clicked on it yesterday it sent me a page with no picture and words. OK now though.
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I was helping a neighbor catch a swarm in a tree the other day when the swarm decided to up and leave. When these things leave, it’s like a cloud of bees. You can follow the cloud and hope it lands nearby. Anyhow, this cloud of bees headed toward the road and as luck would have it a guy on a Motorcycle wearing just a tee shirt was coming down the road. He just missed driving through the swarm!
I chased the cloud of bees a half mile down to road before they veered off into the woods and out of reach.
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Got ya!!!!!!
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This one made the front page of the paper
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Bluebee, I thought I made one land close to me by beating on a piece of sheet metal with a rock. Anyway, It's worth a try and you have nothing to lose next time.
Dan, glad you made the paper, hope you plugged your bee business.
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Swams #13 and 14 are waiting for me to get out of work. These two are from my colonies. They swarmed after lunch so they should still be there at 4:00. I'll post pic on friday. Oh and Terry the news paper reporter is a friend so I get plenty of free advertising.
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We are on our way to northern Minnesota and I saw a huge swarm either just landing or taking off from a pine tree on the south side of US-2 just west of Naubinway. Oh it was so hard to not stop and try, but a small car, no gear and gone for 6 days, I just couldn't. To leave a swarm of Yooper survivors (I assume) was hard to do. ;-)
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13 and 14 were still there and 15 arrived sometime this afternoon
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I just spotted 2 swarms hanging about 12 ft up a maple tree on way to small of branches. It windy here and they are really swinging. Hope the branches hold up until 4:00PM when I get out of work
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I have 5 traps set on the farm. Yesterday 3 of the traps had bees checking them out. 2 had 6-10 bees flying around and in the boxes that I am using. I am BRAND NEW and not sure when I should check them out again. If the swams comes how long should I let them in the box before I try and put them in a hive? Should I do that at nite or in the daytime? I have one hive of "boughten bees" but a friend said I could get a hive from him if I bought another bunch of bees. I don't want to buy another colony this (my first) year but would like to catch a wild swam. I have had the traps out for several weeks with "no Interest" until now. Really exciting to see the "scout bees" checking out my traps. Should I let the bees start to build comb in the trap before I try and get it so I don't loose the queen? Appreciate any info on how long to wait or how often to check the traps, also should I get them in the evening or daytime.
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If you move a swarm trap at night, you will get all the field bees in the box which is a good thing. As long as you have the time and are not prone to fall down in the woods at night, it seems like a good idea to me to collect the box at dusk. I would wait until daylight to actually move the bees from the retrieved trap to your permanent hive. It is much easier to get bees from one box to the next in the daylight!
If you see more than about 20 bees going in a trap per minute and some bees are carrying pollen that is a very good sign! Time to check the trap. A typical swarm is probably about 10000 bees (I would guess). If you have 10,000 bees in a box, you are going to see a consistent flow of bees in and out. Incoming bees will be bring in pollen and nectar. The bees will not be circling the trap at that point, they will be darting in and out on a mission, like a normal hive.
I missed a beautiful big swarm today. 20th swarm this season. A double basketball sized swarm. By the time I got my stuff and got out there, it had taken off :( Pretty sure that swarm came from my Jumbo frame hive of Carniolean bees. Those big frames throw some huge swarms.
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I had 2 swarm calls this week I didn't have time to get first one , second one was only 6 blocks away , about a 3 pound swarm, 4 feet off the ground in a juniper bush, it was easy pickens, they are now making comb in their new home. I need to build more equipment, I hate to turn down opportunities to catch swarms due to of lack of equipment. My employer thinks we need to work 7 days a week for the foreseeable future so building more equipment will be hard to get done.
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Blue Bee, thanks for the info. Yesterday I took my beekeeping buddy over to check the traps. The one that had 8 or 10 bees two days ago flying around :)had 12 or 15 leave my box trap when I started to open it. We didn't have any protective gear so I am going to check it tomorrow afternoon when I have my protective veil and hat on! My friend has caught seven swarms this year that people have called him about and also a few of his own swams and he said he thought there was a 90% chance that I had bees in my trap. Really excited about the possibility. My friend said I could get a hive from him so I will Wednesday. If the bees are in the trap they will have built comb by then, I guess.
My "boughten bees" are doing great! They have been packing in the blackberry and yellow sweet clover pollen and this afternoon I checked my persimmon patch ( about 30 trees) and they were covered with honey bees! The trees are about a 1/4 from my house where my "boughten bee" are so I imagine they were getting a drink along with the local wild bees! I have never had persimmons on these trees and was surprised to see all the blosooms and bees! Thanks again, Blue Bee, for our input. Best of luck this year. :)
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The 2 swarms I had spotted Friday afternoon didn't wait for me to get out of work. I headed home with a empty truck. Just as I got to my property line I spoted a swarm (one of mine) in the air near my barn. They stayed in the air for a good 5 minutes moving slowly across my field and came to rest in a low bush. This is number 16
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Sat afternoon got a call from a friend that had a good one in the high branches of a think bush. This would be a pole and bucket job. When I got there a 2nd small one had arrived. These are 17 & 18
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On Sunday I headed to my new yard to see how the queens had been working and found #19 a couple ft off the ground.
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This is swarm #20 caught after work on Weds. This was also the same location of a earlier one that I didn't get pic of and a really large one last year. Last year they had started building a open air hive so the smells are still there.
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I caught my first wild bees yesterday. Had the trap out for two or three weeks. Moved them to a hive box last nite. QUESTION? Should I feed them sugar water for a while? There were two combs aready in the box. A 4 x6 piece and a 3" piece. I put them in the hive box with the bees. I don't think there was over 2 or 3 lbs of bees.
After I put the in the box the remaining bees went into the new hive box so I guess I got the queen? Going to check tomorrow evening to see that they are still using the new hive. I left it in the same place and position as the trap box. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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The answer to your question probably varies somewhat by the local nectar flow. Here in Michigan, I have never given a swarm sugar water. We have lots of things blooming and there seems to be no shortage of nectar for the bees. Hence in my case, I don’t feed sugar water because it can set off robbing in my yard. Most of the time I do try to put a frame of comb in a hive with a swarm, but not always. I’ve caught about 25 swarms this spring and haven’t had a single one abscond yet; food or not. (LOL, maybe they like my foam :-D)
I would think the comb you added to the hive would be plenty for your 3 lbs of bees if you also have plenty of flowers/clover blooming. Sugar water is probably ok as long as there are not a lot of other bees close by to rob out your wild bees. In my case, I have lots of big hives close to small ones and robbing can be a problem even in times of plenty (like now).
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This would have been swarm #21. I spotted it during lunch back in my field. Called they guy I'm mentoring telling him I'd wait until he could get here. We took a pic of him and this one of me and suddenly all hell broke loose. They decide its time to leave and in a matter of 30 seconds they were in the air. We followed they for to my north property line. It was exciting for my student. Oh well ya win some and loose some
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This is one of my sona tube traps. It is about 5 ft off the ground. I catch one here every year.
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Things have slowed way down here, I'm going to have to throw the camera in the truck. I never have it ready when I need it.
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Things have slowed way down here, I'm going to have to throw the camera in the truck. I never have it ready when I need it.
I thought things were slowing down here also until yesterday. I found 4 large swarms in 2 locations. I cant take anymore so I called a friend. He has over 50 this year. I ran out of deep frames yesterday. just bought another 20 used deeps with drawn frames. Still need about 20 deeps more.
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I'm always running out of something, if it's not frames, it's tops and bottoms. Still have some boxes from our purchase last year though.
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I still have about 20 boxes left also. I really dont need the deep boxes just frames. I did 300 new deep frames this year. I have one yard of 5 pallets that are on 75% new foundation. They wont make honey for me this year