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Offline Steel Tiger

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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2013, 06:36:25 pm »
Looks like a capped queen cell ready to pop on frame 1. Looks as if they decided to requeen before you decided.
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Offline Just5398

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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2013, 06:48:00 pm »
This is the third one they've made.   Each one hatches but I never see a new queen.  Also notice it's a wonky shape.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2013, 07:14:18 pm »
 Maybe you'll be better of spending the $20-30 for a new queen. There's that place in NY that I gave you the info on and there's a place in Vt that has nice queens. This is where I bought my nucs from and I'm having no problems yet. I checked for mites yesterday and saw none. I saw 1 small hive beetle the day after I brought them home. Crushed it and haven't seen any since.
 Overall, I'm pretty happy with them.
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 There's enough information on introducing queens to a hive floating around the forum. You'll want to make absolutely sure there is no queen in the hive before adding a new one.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2013, 10:29:22 am »
> Only one frame has spotty brood and everything on it is capped drone cells. 

Sounds like laying workers or a failed queen.

>The other 3 frames have honey, pollen, nectar and bee bread.  Feeling things are not going well AT ALL. ( I've had my doubts all along.).   When is too late to requeen?

It is tough at this point.

>I've seen a couple of wonky supercedure cells but the original queen still reigns supreme.

"wonky supercedure cells"?  What is wonky about them?  If all your brood is drones, then these are also.

A frame of eggs from another hive is always a good plan.

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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2013, 12:50:46 pm »
 by wonky cell I mean it's shape.  It has the normal peanut shape coming downward but it has another shorter peanut shape coming out the side.  Like the shape of your pointer finger and thumb together.

Do you think I should just give up at this point and start anew in the spring?  I have no idea.  Im feeling defeated at this point.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2013, 03:00:55 pm »
>Do you think I should just give up at this point and start anew in the spring?

If you have another hive, I'd give them a frame of open brood and eggs.

Assuming your "wonky" queen cell is a viable one, then you should have eggs from that queen somewhere between two and four weeks from now.  She will emerge somewhere between 0-8 days from now and mate somewhere between two and three weeks after that.

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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2013, 03:50:13 pm »
this is my only hive and don't know anyone I feel comfortable enough to ask for a frame of brood.  Im thinking either way Im going to get two hives going in the spring.  I can't put them (myself) in this position again.    Lesson learned the hard way!

what happens to the egg in the queen cell if it is a drone egg?  does it hatch out in the 24 days like in a regular drone cell?  If something hatches out in a shorter number of days can I assume it's a viable queen?
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2013, 04:18:32 pm »
>what happens to the egg in the queen cell if it is a drone egg?

http://bushfarms.com/huber.htm#maleeggsinroyalcells
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2013, 04:32:32 pm »
state inspector came, drone layer.  Pulling the plug for this year.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2013, 05:50:58 pm »
Quote from: Just5398 on July 05, 2013, 04:32:32 pm
state inspector came, drone layer.  Pulling the plug for this year.

5398,
Sorry to hear that...File it under experience and go get them next year.  I'd strongly suggest 2 hives, it provides you with a nice comparision and contrast for monitoring progress, as well as giving you lots more options for dealing with problems...such as the one you experienced this year.

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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2013, 07:02:09 pm »
Quote from: Just5398 on June 28, 2013, 03:32:47 pm
A little background.  Installed a nuc May 12 this year.  Slow start due to chilly rainy weather in NJ.  weather is now more seasonably warm (80+).  Was inspecting weekly in the beginning.
Went 2 weeks this time expecting great progress.  They still occupy the 4 original frames.  Only one frame has spotty brood and everything on it is capped drone cells.  The other 3 frames have honey, pollen, nectar and bee bread.  Feeling things are not going well AT ALL. ( I've had my doubts all along.).   When is too late to requeen?  I've seen a couple of wonky supercedure cells but the original queen still reigns supreme.  Afraid I'm going to be behind the 8 ball soon.

HELP PLEASE!

 In beekeeping, when you don`t know what to do, it`s better do nothing. Let the bees to do what they have to do.

 Best time to requeening is fall time.
 Best moment is 6 hours after queenless. :angel:



« Last Edit: July 06, 2013, 02:35:10 am by Mircea_63 »
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2013, 08:39:16 pm »
Michael, obviously this particular hive is a lost cause, but do you feel it's late in the season for re-queening in general? Even starting from scratch with a four-day-old larvae, there would be brood by mid-August with all of September and part of October left, and New England usually has a pretty good flow from asters and golden rod.

I'm curious because I just did a walk-away split this morning and I hope I didn't doom them.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2013, 08:40:28 pm »

Michael, obviously this particular hive is a lost cause, but do you feel it's late in the season for re-queening in general? Or did I misunderstand your statement? Even starting from scratch with a four-day-old larvae, there would be brood by mid-August with all of September and part of October left, and New England usually has a pretty good flow from asters and golden rod.

I just did a walk-away split this morning and now I'm apprehensive that I've inadvertently doomed them.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2013, 03:15:45 am »
Quote from: Just5398 on June 28, 2013, 03:32:47 pm
 When is too late to requeen?  I've seen a couple of wonky supercedure cells but the original queen still reigns supreme.  Afraid I'm going to be behind the 8 ball soon.
HELP PLEASE!

You have no problems! Let they alone for two weeks. Don`t open the hive in this 2 w. You will have a new queen and she need quiet for mate and start to laying. For a time, will be 2 queens :shock: in your hive.
 After this time, add new frame or comb and give 100 ml syrup 1/1 sugar-water, daily in the evening. In first days of September feed for wintering.

BTW Requeening means: out old queen and get a new mate queen. Now you don`t requeen! The bees do it! Let they to do this job, because they are professional.

I tell you a little secret. Put a half little onion in juice maker and add juice - a tea spoon- in 1 liter syrup.  


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Offline Just5398

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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2013, 10:59:51 am »
Under normal circumstances they would create their own queen, which is what they are trying to do, but they can't if I have a drone laying queen/worker.  The hive is a lost cause right now since I don't have any other hives to rob brood from.  Nor do I have anyone local offering up a frame or two to right this hive.  The state inspector said to let the hive get robbed of its resources before the wax moths hit and I'll have comb to use next year.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2013, 12:09:55 pm »
 I am sorry, only now I saw images.  You need a new family bees. 
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2013, 01:45:39 pm »
Quote from: Mircea_63 on July 06, 2013, 03:15:45 am
Quote from: Just5398 on June 28, 2013, 03:32:47 pm
 When is too late to requeen?  I've seen a couple of wonky supercedure cells but the original queen still reigns supreme.  Afraid I'm going to be behind the 8 ball soon.
HELP PLEASE!
I tell you a little secret. Put a half little onion in juice maker and add Joyce - a tea spoon- in 1 liter syrup. 

I got it now juice. And what does the Joyce do?
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2013, 02:18:38 pm »
 Extended bees life. No jokes, I am serious. I hope you understand what I try to tell you. I am not an english speaker.
The natural juice made from onion contain more fitoncide.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2013, 03:10:49 pm »
Quote from: Mircea_63 on July 06, 2013, 02:18:38 pm
Extended bees life. No jokes, I am serious. I hope you understand what I try to tell you. I am not an english speaker.
The natural juice made from onion contain more fitoncide.

You are doing great with the English. Better than I would if it were the other way around. Interesting juice tip.
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Re: when to requeen?
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2013, 10:32:37 pm »
Quote from: Mircea_63 on July 06, 2013, 02:18:38 pm
Extended bees life. No jokes, I am serious. I hope you understand what I try to tell you. I am not an english speaker.
The natural juice made from onion contain more fitoncide.

Ditto on the English, you're doing good! and welcome. We have a saying down south; "The doors always open and a biscuit's on the table" (just another way of saying welcome)
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