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Offline Michael Bush

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Which side of the fence
« on: January 31, 2017, 01:45:00 PM »
Someone sent me this:

If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
 
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
 
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
 
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
If a Democrat is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.
 
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
A Democrat demands that those they don't like be shut down.
 
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
 
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
If a Democrat decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.
 
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2017, 02:01:21 PM »
Ain't that the truth!

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2017, 09:45:39 PM »
O so true.
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2017, 10:30:07 PM »
So true.  Progressives try to pass law through the courts where Conservatives generally use the traditional process of voting. Elections have consequences for those that have to stand before the electorate with a record.

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 11:26:20 AM »
I am a conservative in the Burkean sense of the word, a traditionalist conservative

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 10:34:39 AM »
What's a Libertarian?

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 11:49:18 AM »
What's a Libertarian?

Good question.  Start a new string with that title and I'll bet you'll start a big fight.  Each person that thinks of himself as a libertarian will have a slightly different view -- just like liberals and conservatives (and "progressives").
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2017, 03:50:51 PM »
Post like this thread was started with is kinda bull.  Do the young parents that are both working and have a baby that gets lukimia become bad parents and bad people cause they didn't pick the job that gave them insurance.  Or the guy who branched out on his own and it didn't work out though he tried his best till he fell off the ladder.  I would call it more bad luck then somebody wanting some one to take care of them, they were trying thier best to take care of themselves and sometimes with your best efforts it is impossible to pull yourselves up by your boot straps.  My grandmas husband died while she had seven young kids still living at home.  It wouldn't matter what job she got, she wouldn't have been able to pay the baby sitter.  She did work and use her kids to take care of themselves and the younger ones and was dirt poor for her whole life and did get some assistance some of the time.

I am supposed to say she made bad choices and did it to herself.  This is not the truth.  Most people try very hard to live a decent life but every situation does not work out every time even doing your best.   It is fine to want to take care of yourself.  It is wrong that if you are able to to think every body else is a piece of crap.  I guess me thinking that a rich person puts his pants on the same way as I do is a wrong assumption since they must be so much better then me because they did so much better then I did.  There is nothing wrong with being proud of your self because you take care of buisness unless you think it was all you that did it and no devine intervention was involve and so you can look down on everyone who did not do as well.  I aint buying it, it is not a real descussion and more just an inflamatory item.

I even agree with most of the republican positions posted if it wasn't done in a fassion that only the extreems put to the labels of republican and democrate hides the real truth of the matter which is there things in the middle that both of those extreems would think is fair play in real life when dealing with people you know and love.
Been a while since I jumped into the fray :smile:
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2017, 12:46:50 AM »
What's a Libertarian?
Short version:
Someone who believes in limited government and personal liberty.


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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2017, 09:33:09 AM »
To tell the truth the Republicans are far to socialist for me.  Libertarian would be a better label.  The point is the difference in philosophy.  I'm not sure the Remocrats and the Depublicans have that much difference in philosophy.
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 11:00:25 AM »
MB, I think their philosophies are different, and methods, but the end goals are the same; control. 
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2017, 11:38:35 AM »
I have always said that Republicanism is just a different form of liberalism.

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2017, 11:39:27 AM »
If you trace the history of though they both originate in the enlightenment and only split in the enlightenment.

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2017, 11:39:49 AM »
The least conservative force in the history of the world is unfettered free markets though.

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2017, 05:27:27 PM »
I don't know the right labels in this day and age.  "Libertarian" makes sense for the one side.  "Big Government" perhaps for the other side.  But the problem is that the motivation for "Big Government" is always doing things for "their own good" or doing things out of feeling sorry for someone.  But let's take the typical sequence of events.  The King of England decides that the price of bread is too high so he sets the price by law.  The bakers, unable to make any profit at this price stop making bread.  The wheat growers now not having a market for their wheat, ship it to France.  The King discovering that there is no bread available and all the wheat is being exported, bans the export of wheat.  The farmers stop growing wheat because they no longer have a market for it.  Now there is no wheat and no bread.  So you can't even buy the wheat to make your own bread...  This sequence of events was used by Adam Smith in "The Wealth of Nations" to show why setting prices does not work.  It should also illustrate the "law of unintended consequences".  Whatever calamity we focus our money and our attention on will grow larger in proportion to the money and attention expended on it.  Why?  Because we don't think through the consequences.  The Liberals always see things as a direct connection (such as the price of bread) and react emotionally to it (people are hungry so we have to do something, even if it's wrong) and we end up with no bread and no wheat.   "if... the market in food were freed of meddling interventions, in the long run... the labouring poor would never go hungry."--Adam Smith
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2017, 09:03:38 AM »
The least conservative force in the history of the world is unfettered free markets though.
So what does that make China with it's currency manipulations?

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2017, 10:27:07 AM »
The least conservative force in the history of the world is unfettered free markets though.
So what does that make China with it's currency manipulations?

A slightly more conservative place than oh say Hong Kong. I am not really sure what your point is

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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2017, 12:35:04 PM »
When I was a kid there was a comic called "There ought to be a law...".  The premise of it was offensive in the first place.  Like the solution to everything is to pass a law...  William Raspberry wrote a really good editorial on the topic which I can't currently find.  The gist of it was that whenever something happens that we can't control, our culture passes a law no matter how little it will help.
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Re: Which side of the fence
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2017, 02:14:49 AM »
People imagine that more laws create more security when really all it does is grow government/police state and raise your taxes.
Time to WAKE UP!


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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2017, 10:05:48 PM »
I totally agree.
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