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Bombing Assad
« on: April 07, 2017, 09:18:04 AM »
As you all probably know the US bomb Assad last night over his chemical weapon use, which has been rampant on many sides in this conflict.

What does everyone this is the best outcome here?

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 09:59:07 AM »
It's bull crap from the war mongering machine. Coincidence? Some of Assad's enemies simultaneously start attacking other targets. I really question whether the gas attack was from Assad or from some Syrian thug group - like last time. This is Russia's puppet state, it ain't worth risking a war with Russia. The war mongering machine has gotten ahold of Trump's ears and he has just made a terrible mistake.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2017, 10:10:22 AM »
It's bull crap from the war mongering machine. Coincidence? Some of Assad's enemies simultaneously start attacking other targets. I really question whether the gas attack was from Assad or from some Syrian thug group - like last time. This is Russia's puppet state, it ain't worth risking a war with Russia. The war mongering machine has gotten ahold of Trump's ears and he has just made a terrible mistake.

I also question was it really Assad. He was winning why risk it? Also is there even a good guy that has a chance of winning over there? I can't think of one. If you get rid of Assad we better be ready for a longer civil war and a genocide of Alwhites

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2017, 05:15:34 PM »
It sure does sound fishy when our dufus leader makes a 180 degree wrong turn.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 08:32:43 PM »
Doesn't seem to be a very libertarian type move from our democra---er republican president.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 09:14:51 PM »
He will go down as the president that sucked the most cash from the american people while promising them prosperity.  All the while less then 20% of the American people thought that he was gong to make America great Again.  You got to LYAO or cry about it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 09:24:47 PM »
The bombing serves several purposes and has great strategic value.
1.  Intelligence says the Syrians bombed with WMD.  Could have bee deliberate or rogue.  They did it and the Russians probably knew about it.  They got punished.  Not a war, punished, don't use chemical weapons Syria.
2.  Now Putin knows Trump is not afraid to pull the trigger.  The democrats will say but he called to warn Putin.  Yep, he did, then Trump took out Putin puppet's airfield.  Did someone turn off the air defense in Syria?  Did the Russians inform Syrians on the ground?
4.  Xi was dining with Trump while the rockets were in the air.  Says a lot to the norks and the communist party.  Japan, SK, Phillipines, Taiwan, and Australia are pleased.  Xi is humiliated at dinner and didn't even know it.  This had to be planned, OMG, played perfectly.
4.  Domestic critics can no longer play the Putin admirer card, the garbage it was.

I know a lot of you haters will jump all over me.  I agree with a lot of you that we have very little business in the ME.  My preference is the Shia and Sunni fight it out to the end.  Just giving my take.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2017, 09:45:04 PM »
Ohy Vey,  The missiles are pin prick to a runway.  They weren't designed to take out a runway.  We have armaments that will do that but they weren't used.  This is a Russian strong hold and not one Russian died?  Get your head out of your butt, this was orchestrated by Putin.  Trump doesn't have enough brain power to know what bullets to put in a gun.  You should go hunting with him.  My advice is keep him in front of you if you value your live.  He probably had as much training and Dick Cheney.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2017, 10:52:31 PM »
Good post, J. You said it right and blew Ace right out of his "safe space" at the same time. Good going.  :cool:
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2017, 11:01:25 PM »
oh Iddeee your a baddddddd badddddd boy :cool:

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2017, 12:59:10 AM »
Maybe I am just a cheap SOB but a Tomahawk Block V goes for $1.9M (Wikipedia) each and we just fired 59 of them hitting nothing but dirt.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2017, 05:15:50 AM »
Mins,
I'm with you, I sure hope each tomahawk took out at least one plane or two.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2017, 08:12:39 AM »
How about the wasted 33 million to protect his sorry butt every time he goes to FL.  Mind you the needless chaos it causes to traveling passengers in West Palm Beach along with the increased cost to private businesses in and around the area.  This president is nothing but waste with no accounting for it.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2017, 09:18:34 AM »
How about the wasted 33 million to protect his sorry butt every time he goes to FL.  Mind you the needless chaos it causes to traveling passengers in West Palm Beach along with the increased cost to private businesses in and around the area.  This president is nothing but waste with no accounting for it.

I don't remember hearing you complaining about the billions obama wasted taking a vacation every other week. And on top of it, his wife was on one plane, the dog on another and he on a third plane.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2017, 09:46:24 AM »
Doesn't anyone think that maybe the runaways were saved on purpose ?

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2017, 10:41:51 PM »
Hi Folks,

Anybody seen this yet?  Click the link and scroll down to video. CNN Brooke Baldwin put in her place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393938/Syrian-chemical-attack-victim-hits-CNN-journalist.html

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2017, 09:07:49 AM »
I don't remember hearing you complaining about the billions obama wasted taking a vacation every other week. And on top of it, his wife was on one plane, the dog on another and he on a third plane.
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Obama actually lived with his wife and kids in the white house and when they went on a vacation TOGETHER it did not shut down the east coast.  The costs were in line with every other president before him.  That is not the case now.  Not even close.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2017, 06:10:10 AM »
Really?

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2017, 09:46:47 AM »
The bombing serves several purposes and has great strategic value.
1.  Intelligence says the Syrians bombed with WMD.  Could have bee deliberate or rogue.  They did it and the Russians probably knew about it.  They got punished.  Not a war, punished, don't use chemical weapons Syria.......................... This was a political stunt as nothing of significance happened to the lone Syrian airfield we bombed

2.  Now Putin knows Trump is not afraid to pull the trigger.  The democrats will say but he called to warn Putin.  Yep, he did, then Trump took out Putin puppet's airfield.  Did someone turn off the air defense in Syria?  Did the Russians inform Syrians on the ground?............ These are low flying cruise missiles. There is no air defense system in Syria that can defend against them. Granted they also are not designed to take out a runway.

4.  Xi was dining with Trump while the rockets were in the air.  Says a lot to the norks and the communist party.  Japan, SK, Phillipines, Taiwan, and Australia are pleased.  Xi is humiliated at dinner and didn't even know it.  This had to be planned, OMG, played perfectly............... This is probably true

4.  Domestic critics can no longer play the Putin admirer card, the garbage it was............ Probably also true.

I know a lot of you haters will jump all over me.  I agree with a lot of you that we have very little business in the ME.  My preference is the Shia and Sunni fight it out to the end.  Just giving my take.

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2017, 09:49:06 AM »
I don't remember hearing you complaining about the billions obama wasted taking a vacation every other week. And on top of it, his wife was on one plane, the dog on another and he on a third plane.
Jim

Obama actually lived with his wife and kids in the white house and when they went on a vacation TOGETHER it did not shut down the east coast.  The costs were in line with every other president before him.  That is not the case now.  Not even close.

I agree with you here but you got to provide a source when making a claim like this


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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2017, 11:19:00 AM »
BW,
Here it is:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/05/the-obamas-have-spent-over-44351777-12-in-taxpayer-cash-on-travel/.  As of 06/2014

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article50172810.html.  As of 12/2015.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article50172810.html  As of 08/2014.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article123335079.html.  As of 12/2016.

I was not really talking for myself as I know what was said to be true. That is a just a general rule in internet debate. When making a claim provide a basis for it

There is more, I just used the first 4 that popped up when I googled.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2017, 11:55:22 AM »
How about the wasted 33 million to protect his sorry butt every time he goes to FL.  Mind you the needless chaos it causes to traveling passengers in West Palm Beach along with the increased cost to private businesses in and around the area.  This president is nothing but waste with no accounting for it.

So now, Ace, tell us where you got that ridiculous figure of 33 million each time Trump goes to FL.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2017, 02:23:13 PM »
MSNBC, Documents provided by the secrete service.  You do know they are looking to up their budget to cover the increased cost?  Fedral budgets are not a secrete  Trump had hope to get the money from the Mexicans, repeal of ACA, social security, and medicare.  LMAO He still thinks he can run the country like his TV show the Apprentice.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2017, 04:51:39 PM »
Cruse missiles make for good TV but they do not hurt runways. You drop bombs that penetrate (like a Durandal anti runway). Problem is that you would have to fly a bomber in over Russian air defenses and strike aircraft.
So you put on a show, without risk or real gain. They are flying the next day and you can stand at the podium with your thumbs up your ?I mean in the air.
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2017, 06:23:56 PM »
I would have been impressed if they would have bombed the capital with assad in it.  That might not have been such a waste of resources.
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2017, 10:49:37 PM »
So what would saving runways benefit.?  Ya all talk! How many planes were destroyed. We don't know but 59 toms. did make some heads roll.

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2017, 08:17:52 AM »
That might not have been such a waste of resources.

Waste is what he does best.
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2017, 11:30:26 AM »
That might not have been such a waste of resources.

Waste is what our government does best.

There, fixed it for ya. :)
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2017, 01:19:29 PM »
At least the Red Line in the sand guy is out of office.  He had zero clue.......

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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2017, 04:09:48 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2017, 04:25:19 PM »
I have to ask what legitimate interest do we have in Syria? I can find none and why was this gassing by Assad the one we all got up in arms about? There has been gassing going on in that Civil War for years now by both sides. Also I have to ask if we did topple Assad who do we replace him with. The next strongest force in Syria is ISIS then the local Al-queda affiliate. I know the Kurds are strong in their homeland but no Arab is going to let Kurds rule them and the Kurds know that. So what option do we have if we want to over throw him?/ Assad has been doing the most killing of ISIS. Most ethnic minorities back Assad. There are not Western moderates over there in large numbers. It is a crappy situation and it is one we will make worse by intervening. If Assad falls get ready for more civil war, more deaths, and ethnic cleansing of Christians, Al-whites, and Druze.

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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2017, 04:49:38 PM »
I don't think we have much interest in Syria other than not allowing a mad man to destroy hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.  If we allow him to do that why wouldn't we allow him to do the same to all his neighbors? 
Just a different line I guess.

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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2017, 05:29:14 PM »
There is a handful of either individuals or groups that are causing all the turmoil all over the world.
Shall we be goaded into a nuclear holocaust because the little fat kid in N Korea has a temper tantrum?
He needs to be assassinated by either his own people, China, Japan, Seal Team 6.........anyone. He is just one little stupid person but look at what is going on right now because of him.
Covertly, quietly...........make all of them disappear...........when they start disappearing, maybe the ones left will get the message...........right now, there is ZERO penalty for any of their actions.
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2017, 05:47:42 PM »
I don't think we have much interest in Syria other than not allowing a mad man to destroy hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.  If we allow him to do that why wouldn't we allow him to do the same to all his neighbors? 
Just a different line I guess.

Because all sides are killing hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens. Assad is no different in this respect. He never has had the power to project it over other nations except for Lebanon and they through him off several years back. Even if he wins he will never be able to project power over another nation again at least in his lifetime and that is all anyone can ever hope for or expect in international politics.

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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2017, 08:55:21 PM »
Ditto,  it's never ending.

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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2017, 09:30:48 PM »
Assad has been doing the most killing of ISIS.

BW,
Assad is only fighting ISIS in the Damascus suburbs, with limited action.
The Russians, Iranians, and Syrians are fighting the rebels. 
In Syria, only the west is attacking ISIS. 

Assad has lost the country, it will be partitioned.  Aliwites will run the west and Sunni will run the east, the Kurds will fight it out with Turkey.  Assuming Iran agrees.  Hezbollah will attempt to take the Golan, aided by Iran.  Israel has been assassinating Hez leaders and Iranian Generals in Golan for 3 years.

Our country is best benefited by not entering Iraq or Syria (and Lebanon) with boots on the ground.  Let them fight it out.  It will bleed the Russians and Iranians and the Saudis as well.

Look for fireworks on the Persian Gulf before the end of summer.

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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2017, 11:13:51 AM »
Assad has been doing the most killing of ISIS.

BW,
Assad is only fighting ISIS in the Damascus suburbs, with limited action.
The Russians, Iranians, and Syrians are fighting the rebels. 
In Syria, only the west is attacking ISIS. 

Assad has lost the country, it will be partitioned.  Aliwites will run the west and Sunni will run the east, the Kurds will fight it out with Turkey.  Assuming Iran agrees.  Hezbollah will attempt to take the Golan, aided by Iran.  Israel has been assassinating Hez leaders and Iranian Generals in Golan for 3 years.

Our country is best benefited by not entering Iraq or Syria (and Lebanon) with boots on the ground.  Let them fight it out.  It will bleed the Russians and Iranians and the Saudis as well.

Look for fireworks on the Persian Gulf before the end of summer.

Where do you figure that Assad is only fighting ISIS in the suburbs of Damascus? He is pretty much fighting everyone he can at the moment but he has left a lot of the further reaches of ISIS alone as he does not have the force or power to go there. If left alone it would probably come down to a showdown between ISIS and Assad or they might just reach an agreement to divide the country.

I agree with you that Hez is going to use this as a base to fight in the Golan backed by Iran and I also agree that we should just let themselves bleed themselves dry and go broke. It can't be a bad thing when you enemies are fighting each other. I only say we should offer help to those fleeing the country and education so that when the fighting is over they can rebuild their country.

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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2017, 03:12:31 PM »
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I know a lot of you haters will jump all over me.  I agree with a lot of you that we have very little business in the ME.  My preference is the Shia and Sunni fight it out to the end.  Just giving my take.

your take is a good one.  Doesn't matter what this did or didn't accomplish in Syria.  The message sent to everyone else is very important and a cheap message at that.  After 8 years of the world knowing we would either not act or be on the wrong side of everything, this was a long overdue message.

I am not in favor of taking out Assad.  Bad as he is, he is better than the alternative, but this has little to do with Assad anyway.  Russia wants the bases.  Iran wants another proxy government.  ISIS wants a base of operation after losing much of Iraq (thanks Obama for giving it to them) and we have no particular interest there except to keep the players from exerting more influence/control in the area.  Russia and Iran are in bed together because Russia likes the idea of controlling a nuclear-armed Muslim country just as China has the NorKs. 

This is a global chess game and we can't stay out of it even if we want to. 
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2017, 05:39:53 PM »
This is a global chess game and we can't stay out of it even if we want to.
I find that very hard to believe.  I also find it hard to believe that we cannot design and anti missile missile that will take out anything that is launched when it gets to 1000 ft elevation.  We have satellites everywhere and fly drones to pin point accuracy.  If we wanted to impress sun gone goon all we would have to do is take out his test missiles.  That would show everybody what we could do and how useless their warheads are.  It wouldn't hurt if everyone had the technology because it is purely defensive.
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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2017, 12:11:56 AM »
Oh Ace, you just made my day!
The program you are pining for:
It's called SDI, Strategic Defence Initative. First proposed by President Ronald Reagan. You may know it as Star Wars.
Yep, it's just what you asked for. Trump put the system in South Korea last month.

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2017, 10:19:02 AM »
Oh Ace, you just made my day!
The program you are pining for:
It's called SDI, Strategic Defence Initative. First proposed by President Ronald Reagan. You may know it as Star Wars.
Yep, it's just what you asked for. Trump put the system in South Korea last month.

Yeah we have. We are good at the shorter range stuff but we still struggle when an ICBM his cruising altitude. I am sure we are working on making that better as we speak.

 

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