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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2017, 02:42:50 PM »
The study you refer to was done with 13 other scientists, did not say get rid of vaccines, it merely suggested that they needed further study, which is essentially what the thread about this documentary is about, not Andrew Wakefield.

Your second link, shows as a proof of the veracity of their conclusions, B. Deer, who just happens to be a third rate reporter who works for Rupert Murdoch, a British newspaper mogul whose son is on the board as a non-executive member to protect the company's reputation to the media, of Glaxo Smith Kline the vaccine manufacturer, a company that the Chinese have apparently gotten rid of and refused to do business with, because of bribery and corruption of officials in their country.

As far as what happened with his license he explains in the interviews I have linked. The other authors of the study also lost their licenses, but quite easily got their license back as it was a simple reapplication. Wakefield was harassed so much by B. Deer the man who had a huge financial reason to be an attack dog, that he decided to move to the US, where he is practicing now.

AW having a vaccine is news to me. He is a gastroenterologist. The parents of the autistic children approached him because their children had huge gastrointestinal issues. That is/was his area of expertise/research. His conclusion as well as the rest of the team was that the three vaccines when combined seem to be the problem. Basically from what I gather, the problem is that the human immune system has never had to deal with three infections simultaneously injected under the skin which bypasses all of the normal immune system. These three infections hitting simultaneously confuses or causes a reaction of some variety. His thoughts were to separate out the vaccines and administer them singly, which was a problem for the British government because it had just ordered a massive amount of the combined vaccines. He and his team basically said there was more research need as the vaccines got basically very little research before being accepted. He is not anti vaccine. His children were vaccinated.

His research was simply a case study of these victims and it is not true as you asserted that these children had problems before. You can even read it here: http://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/abstract It has retracted written across it but is readable.

If someone has enough money they can villify "Snow White". Donald Trump was easily vilified because the PPL who are worried about his intentions, own all of the media in the country/world.

Your fourth link quotes Brian Deer who I previously discredited. He in essence is the equivalent of the "baby of aliens" type of story.

Your fourth link "The Scientific Parent" is just someone shooting the breeze, providing no proof or studies and just wildly say exaggerated baseless statements.

The last link is a site which is paid for by the medical community that basically makes a living off of vaccines. Notice that they start off saying that " The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine all agree that there's probably no relationship between autism and vaccines." That is the whole point of the documentary. There is doubt and it should be studied rather than sticking the head in the sand.

https://soundcloud.com/user-507883655/4-andrew-wakefield-interview-how-to-end-the-autism-epidemic
 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
http://www.ageofautism.com/dr-andrew-wakefield/
https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/04/21/fox-provides-platform-discredited-doctor-claim-cdc-hiding-evidence-vaccines-cause-autism/210015

There is lots of interviews of AW out there if you want to look.
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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2017, 05:32:57 PM »
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/Vaccines_Do_Not_Cause_Autism.htm
http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/mmr.asp
https://www.thescientificparent.org/vaccines-dont-cause-autism-but-thats-not-the-point/
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism

So far I haven't come up with any verbiage in these links that contradicts what was said in the first video the OP posted.  The video if you watched it was about how metals such as aluminum and mercury are used in the vaccines and that they get through the brain barrier and stay in the brain.  The vaccine itself is not the issue it is the delivery by injection.  Nothing to do with the gut.  An injection goes directly into the blood stream and up to the brain.  Andrew Wakefield could have been all wet in his theory about the gut.  That doesn't mean this other study is.
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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2017, 07:08:49 PM »
The study you refer to was done with 13 other scientists, did not say get rid of vaccines, it merely suggested that they needed further study, which is essentially what the thread about this documentary is about, not Andrew Wakefield.

Most of the coauthers withdrew their support of the study because it was flawed and Wakefield. Wakefield also had financial interest in proving his link.

Your second link, shows as a proof of the veracity of their conclusions, B. Deer, who just happens to be a third rate reporter who works for Rupert Murdoch, a British newspaper mogul whose son is on the board as a non-executive member to protect the company's reputation to the media, of Glaxo Smith Kline the vaccine manufacturer, a company that the Chinese have apparently gotten rid of and refused to do business with, because of bribery and corruption of officials in their country.

As far as what happened with his license he explains in the interviews I have linked. The other authors of the study also lost their licenses, but quite easily got their license back as it was a simple reapplication. Wakefield was harassed so much by B. Deer the man who had a huge financial reason to be an attack dog, that he decided to move to the US, where he is practicing now.

AW having a vaccine is news to me. He is a gastroenterologist. The parents of the autistic children approached him because their children had huge gastrointestinal issues. That is/was his area of expertise/research. His conclusion as well as the rest of the team was that the three vaccines when combined seem to be the problem. Basically from what I gather, the problem is that the human immune system has never had to deal with three infections simultaneously injected under the skin which bypasses all of the normal immune system. These three infections hitting simultaneously confuses or causes a reaction of some variety. His thoughts were to separate out the vaccines and administer them singly, which was a problem for the British government because it had just ordered a massive amount of the combined vaccines. He and his team basically said there was more research need as the vaccines got basically very little research before being accepted. He is not anti vaccine. His children were vaccinated........... His research was flawed and wrong. No follow up research could produce his results. He is a crank that has hurt children.

His research was simply a case study of these victims and it is not true as you asserted that these children had problems before. You can even read it here: http://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/abstract It has retracted written across it but is readable.

If someone has enough money they can villify "Snow White". Donald Trump was easily vilified because the PPL who are worried about his intentions, own all of the media in the country/world.

Your fourth link quotes Brian Deer who I previously discredited. He in essence is the equivalent of the "baby of aliens" type of story.............. You discredit him because you don't like his stories and who he works for but he did report an accurate story.

Your fourth link "The Scientific Parent" is just someone shooting the breeze, providing no proof or studies and just wildly say exaggerated baseless statements.

The last link is a site which is paid for by the medical community that basically makes a living off of vaccines. Notice that they start off saying that " The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine all agree that there's probably no relationship between autism and vaccines." That is the whole point of the documentary. There is doubt and it should be studied rather than sticking the head in the sand..................................... Yes lets not listen to medical scientists unless it is the lone one who conducted a study that could not be repeated and used flawed data. https://web.archive.org/web/20110814140548/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683643.ece
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-retraction.htm

WE don't need to study vaccines more. We need to stop the nonsense that vaccines cause autism.

https://soundcloud.com/user-507883655/4-andrew-wakefield-interview-how-to-end-the-autism-epidemic
 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
http://www.ageofautism.com/dr-andrew-wakefield/
https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/04/21/fox-provides-platform-discredited-doctor-claim-cdc-hiding-evidence-vaccines-cause-autism/210015

There is lots of interviews of AW out there if you want to look............... No thanks. I don't need to look at what one lone crank says about things he makes up.

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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2017, 07:09:38 PM »
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/Vaccines_Do_Not_Cause_Autism.htm
http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/mmr.asp
https://www.thescientificparent.org/vaccines-dont-cause-autism-but-thats-not-the-point/
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism

So far I haven't come up with any verbiage in these links that contradicts what was said in the first video the OP posted.  The video if you watched it was about how metals such as aluminum and mercury are used in the vaccines and that they get through the brain barrier and stay in the brain.  The vaccine itself is not the issue it is the delivery by injection.  Nothing to do with the gut.  An injection goes directly into the blood stream and up to the brain.  Andrew Wakefield could have been all wet in his theory about the gut.  That doesn't mean this other study is.

The links state that vaccines are safe and we don't need to stop vaccinating

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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:10 PM »
The links state that vaccines are safe and we don't need to stop vaccinating
Well I guess that is what you are going to do.
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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2017, 11:41:12 AM »

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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2017, 02:47:16 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/21/mmr-vaccine-autism_n_7109142.html

Thought this article would be of interest to this discussion

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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2017, 08:56:22 AM »
I would like to see the data.  There is a world of difference between a 5 year old and an infant.  I don't think this study differentiated that.
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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2017, 01:28:17 PM »
I wish I could access it but I can't. Most of these articles and publications like this are behind a paywall.

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Re: The Truth About Vaccines
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2017, 08:23:09 PM »
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