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Title: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: c10250 on February 26, 2013, 11:21:52 am
I was disturbed when reading this month's Bee Culture magazine. It appears that someone took it upon him/herself to modify a research paper to fit someone's own personal feelings about chemical control of varroa. More specifically, in a letter to the editor "Correction to CAP", the authors of the CAP publication were miffed that directly under the title of their paper, someone (Bee Culture??) inserted the text "Chemicals are not the answer and here's why", giving the impression that the opinions of the authors were against chemical treatments of beehives. This is very disturbing! Not what you would expect out of a respected publication . . .
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Intheswamp on February 26, 2013, 11:31:54 am
The days of unbiased reporting are long gone...agendas and propaganda are shoved in our face today.  CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, Republicans, Democrats, The Weekly Reader, Bee Culture, etc., you name it, they all have an agenda they wish to promote.  Bee Culture is not the magazine that it was several years ago, just like other periodicals have changed.  Personally, most of the time I see magazines, network news, newspapers as simply stumps for the snake-oil salesmen to stand on.  You just have to use some discernment in weeding out the junk and holding on to the good info.  If the paper was changed to present something other than it's original content then that is simply wrong, though I don't know what could/would be done about it.

Ed
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Kathyp on February 26, 2013, 11:52:26 am
i quit taking bee culture because they have some very far left wing loons there.  one in particular ticked me off so many times with the crap he wrote that i just gave up the magazine.  don't get me wrong...i don't mind difference of opinion and i love a good debate, but i took a bee magazine for bee info, not political non-bee 1/2 the time spewing from someone who seemed stuck in the 60's
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Michael Bush on February 26, 2013, 04:29:09 pm
At least they published the letter complaining about it... a really bad magazine would have not bothered...
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: goatmanbees on February 26, 2013, 05:14:51 pm
True
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 26, 2013, 05:22:24 pm
At least they published the letter complaining about it... a really bad magazine would have not bothered...

X:X X:X X:X
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: c10250 on February 26, 2013, 05:34:16 pm
At least they published the letter complaining about it... a really bad magazine would have not bothered...


Pullleeeezzzzeee.  Really??  My guess is that they were "required" to print the retraction if they ever wanted to publish the CAP report again.
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: kingbee on February 26, 2013, 07:21:44 pm
I was disturbed when reading this month's Bee Culture magazine. It appears that someone took it upon him/herself to modify a research paper to fit someone's own personal feelings about chemical control of varroa......

 More specifically... the authors of the CAP publication were miffed that directly under the title of their paper, someone (Bee Culture??) inserted the text "Chemicals are not the answer and here's why", giving the impression that the opinions of the authors were against chemical treatments of beehives.....
This is very disturbing! Not what you would expect out of a respected publication.....

This is what I would expect from a group who fly under a false flag and call themselves "environmentalist" but whose true purpose for existing is to destroy industrial society along with its benefits, like scientific discovery.  They intend to do this by pretending that modern (Industrial) society is dangerous to your health or else is corrupt when in fact it is not as corrupt nor as dangerous as the people attacking modern society are.  

Never mind that those who hold a jaded view of modern society have been repudiated at every turn by the enslaved peoples of the 20Th Century.  Beginning with the Russian Empire's flirtation with Marxistism in 1917 and continuing through the fall of Fascism, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and coming full circle to the fall and breakup of the USSR and International Socialism (Marxism) 73 years later.

Therefore I am not surprised that our friend from across the pond chose this time to favor us with another one of his monotonous compilations of what is wrong with or poisoning society (bees included) eventhough he is still unable to provide any evidence nor is he able to back up his words with facts.  
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 27, 2013, 09:59:55 am
As I figured might happen, this topic now officially belongs in the COFFEE HOUSE.

Xin Loi
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Kathyp on February 27, 2013, 04:59:43 pm
considering the subject and the person, it probably belongs in both.  i never thought his rants belonged in a beekeeping magazine.....
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 27, 2013, 06:15:41 pm
Perhaps there are those of us who might try running a magazine, a business or even write their own blogs, opinions on forums (oh yeah, we do  :shock:), local newspapers, Elected Reps, better yet run for office themselves on their platform of 'beliefs', you know, "putting their neck out" and doing something proactive before running their.......... :-D , especially critics who readily admit to rarely (if ever) consuming that which they so enjoy passing 'their own' personal critique and judgement upon.  These are the folks who already know everything there is to know about everything (and will endlessly remind us) which really must be pretty cool  8-) when you think about it.

Its an epidemic these days I'm afraid, perpetuated by a mediocre media, schools, and culture which produces mediocre people and mediocre, "strictly divisive" debate, therefore serves little meaningful purpose IMHO.  Just the way the Slave Masters want it.  And remains precisely why I don't frequent COFFEE HOUSE any more  :-D.  

No offence intended  ;)  We all deserve the right to rant now and then, whether or not we happen to agree w/ the ranter, but perhaps it would be wise to always remember when observing or exercising rants;  There's a very good reason why we have 'two' ears and 'one' mouth.

Very little discussion on the topic of the article, anyone else notice?




"There are no innocent bystanders among those just standing by"  (those pointing are perhaps the most guilty)
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Kathyp on February 27, 2013, 06:22:56 pm
hey, they can print whatever they want.  if that kind of stuff is attractive enough to keep them in business, fine with me.  it is = true that i can put my money where i wish.  for that reason, i chose not to keep taking that particular magazine.  i can get my beekeeping info from a source that does not feel the need to mix political screeds into the info.

seems to me you might not get all sides of the subject when your info is coming from an obviously biased source?

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And remains precisely why I don't frequent COFFEE HOUSE any more  grin. 

that's to bad.  a little more practice and you might have been able to keep up your end of a conversation  :-D
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 09:16:50 am
kathyp; Sorry but you haven't been paying attention, I read everything.  One must see all sides to make an informed decision.  Like you, right?

Hard to have a conversation with those who refuse to digest or have any knowledge of the material or even have a willingness to entertain another point of view without ridicule and thus have little to offer any meaningful conversation. 

While serving a forced hiatus from BeeMaster I found other sources more open to alternative opinions and much more inclined to engage their brain (do some research) before their mouths, so have no need or desire to engage on COFFEE HOUSE further.

Does that explain my position better?  Does it really matter?
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Duane on February 28, 2013, 10:44:00 am
I find this interesting.  I guess it depends upon what you look for and what you zero in on, but I was remarking just yesterday how pro-chemical Bee Culture was in their advertisers. 
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Kathyp on February 28, 2013, 10:55:10 am
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Does that explain my position better?  Does it really matter?

doesn't matter at all.  glad you found some place that makes you comfortable....and some place that won't force a "hiatus" on your for...whatever....not your opinion certainly because there are plenty with alternative views....must.have.been.something.else.
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 11:11:16 am
I find this interesting.  I guess it depends upon what you look for and what you zero in on, but I was remarking just yesterday how pro-chemical Bee Culture was in their advertisers. 

Ah yes, finally someone who actually reads the mag chiming in  8-)
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: D Coates on February 28, 2013, 11:15:13 am
I just recently dropped Bee Culture after 5 years when I realized more and more of their articles were absolute hogwash written by folks not interested in facts but instead pushing an agenda.  At a point I no longer care to continue to listen to what the other side thinks and the faulty data they use to support it and I take my business elsewhere.
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 11:27:12 am
The truth depends on where you stand.  Unfortunately, a movement is growing filled with mostly sitters.

"if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything"
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: D Coates on February 28, 2013, 11:31:37 am
"Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who say they've found it."

Look familiar?
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 11:53:52 am
You bet it does, I'm a seeker, not a sucker :-D
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: c10250 on February 28, 2013, 11:58:46 am
TBeak, you state, "Very little discussion on the topic of the article, anyone else notice".  I find that the article has very little to do with someone "forgin" a scientific paper to agree more with their personal views on a subject.  Who cares what the article was about.  SOMEONE changed a scientific paper and inserted material that the authors did not produce!  Who gives a rat's $$$ about what the article was about.  Let's talk about the ethics of this.
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 01:02:28 pm
Now "that's" standing for something.   X:X  I like it!

Too bad you didn't read the article though.  Did you at least read the letter making the complaint?  I suppose you'd have to pick up a copy of Bee Culture and there's not much hope for that, is there? 

Don't you think there is already enough knee jerking in the world?  No? 

OK, then lets get to the ethics of the matter.  But lets leave the 'assumptions' in our pockets  :-D
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: D Coates on February 28, 2013, 01:13:46 pm
You bet it does, I'm a seeker, not a sucker :-D

For a "seeker" it sure appears you're not doubting those who claim to have the truth in this... or it supports what you believe the truth is and you're willing to overlook flawed/forged data.

Ah yes, finally someone who actually reads the mag chiming in  8-)

I think I understand the forced hiatus now.

One must see all sides to make an informed decision.

Must?  Be careful crawling too high on your soapbox.  Certain things are flat wrong and I spend no time reviewing them to make an informed decision.  An extreme example would be I don't need to read things from Aryan Nation, Nation of Islam, NABLA, etc. to see their side before making an informed decision.  To a lesser extent it's articles and papers with unsupported scientific claims of "truth" from certain individuals/groups that I also give no credence to either.  
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: c10250 on February 28, 2013, 01:16:54 pm
Now "that's" standing for something.   X:X  I like it!

Too bad you didn't read the article though. ....

I subscribe to the magazine . . . of course I read the article.  You need to modify your crystal ball somewhat . . .
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 01:32:29 pm
Hold on just a minute.  As usual, there's way too many 'assumptions' around here (and why this belongs on COFFEE HOUSE), I DOUBT EVERYTHING, I question everything (just ask my wife  :), and I 'try' to assume NOTHING and trust very little of the 'certainty' coming from most of humanity. 

Haven't you noticed?  That makes me soooo sad  :'(  and tells me you're only listening to your own voice. 

Most of us should spend more time digesting others opinions and less time reacting to them  :-D
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Kathyp on February 28, 2013, 01:41:09 pm
T has gone into troll/i love the attention, mode.  not worth it, in my book.

pay for the magazine if you like it.  don't pay for it if you don't.  pretty simple. 
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 01:43:15 pm
Now "that's" standing for something.   X:X  I like it!

Too bad you didn't read the article though. ....

I subscribe to the magazine . . . of course I read the article.  You need to modify your crystal ball somewhat . . .

I apologize for miss-speaking, thought I was talking to D Coats w/ the above reference.  

Sorry, of course 'you' read the article.  You're the one who's upset about it, right?  The ethics of (miss?) construing an opinion to fit our own beliefs.  I'm afraid you might have to get used to it as it's part of the human condition, or is that a curse?  :)
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on February 28, 2013, 01:48:59 pm
T has gone into troll/i love the attention, mode.  not worth it, in my book.

pay for the magazine if you like it.  don't pay for it if you don't.  pretty simple. 

B,b,bbbb but wait a minute, I don't have 13,000 posts showing multiple examples of digressing to name calling whenever I don't agree with someone, that's someone else you're thinking of :-D  And I sure don't need 'this' kind of attention, just had some time on my hands with some GIANTS to conquer  8-) or at least cripple up a bit.

I thought we were going to talk about ethics............................. :?
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: D Coates on February 28, 2013, 02:01:49 pm
just had some time on my hands with some GIANTS to conquer  8-) or at least cripple up a bit.[/quote]

Ahhh, there's the truth.  You're bored and wanting to stir the pot, this has nothing to do with truth.  I'm out.

Chalk this one up to Kathy. 
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: Duane on February 28, 2013, 08:27:39 pm
I looked in February's issue and looked under what I thought was the letters, looked in the contents, looked under the CAP report, scanned through the magazine and I'm not finding what is mentioned.  I'm guessing that there was a letter in one issue about an article in another issue. 

Could someone please give the exact issues and page numbers so I can see what all the complaints are about?
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: T Beek on March 01, 2013, 06:17:53 am
The 'complaint' letter is in the March issue, letters section.

This topic is a mole hill if there ever was one.  :(






"I have no time for ornery folks, I'm ornery enough myself."

"Too bad closed minds don't also come with closed mouths"   Kurt Vonnegut :-D
Title: Re: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture
Post by: buzzbee on March 01, 2013, 07:28:09 am
I'm locking this topic as it has run it's course and heading in the wrong direction.The op was that someone at BC did alter the heading of a posted article. What the agenda was is up to BC to state. It should make evryone suspicious of what editors are pushing as journalism. But altering someone elses work and publishing it without a footnote to mention the added words should no be done.
 I agree they should be called to the carpet,but in doing so you also put them in the limelight. If you are upset,the best way to handle it is to write a letter to the editor and demand a retraction or explanation of their agenda or drop your subscription and tell them why in no uncertain terms.