DUCK,queen must come out before as you put it, You can get her. Queen never came out until they swarmed.Hive was attached to tree so that bees had to go through hive to get into oak tree hive.Hole was too small to even get your hand in very far,but large enough for the 30,000 or so bees that were in hive.Man that owned tree did not want it damaged. :-x