I refused to get one longer than anyone else I have known but I bought one and it arrived today. So I guess from this point on I should care if they make honey now. I have been running the removal side without a care about honey so long its going to be like starting over. I think I got a good deal on it got one of the vivo china made ones they sell on ebay 8/4 will have to jerry rig for the 8 frames anyway I paid $259.00 with shipping.
I just wanted to tell someone