Bruce, welcome to our forum, this is the best place ever. A place where you can lean on us to help you to make it through the winter with your bees. Twenty years....that is a long period of persistence, you have surely fallen beneath their spell, as so many of us other beekeepers have. Stick around, this will be a place where you can tell your many tales, stories and experiences, we all love to listen, and we learn too. You will also make some new and wonderful friends. Have the best of a great day, great health, love life. Cindi