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Offline iddee

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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2010, 10:09:57 am »
Why not just some old rags?
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2010, 10:20:50 am »
Hmmmm, a much simpler response than I was thinking - love it. I was worried they might chew through material eventually.

Well I might give this trapout a go this coming week after I make myself a set of cones, since my 1 and only cone is in use at the moment :)

Thanks iddee
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2010, 12:54:49 pm »
I find balling up aluminum foil works well.   You can use your hive tool to tightly pack it in.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2010, 08:28:10 pm »
I like that one too Robo. I think I might use a combo of both rags and alfoil on this trapout.
Thanks guys.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2010, 04:30:57 pm »
It works!  I got all the confidence in the world but could someone explain something to me?  If there is an exit hole large enough for 2 drones then why can't they go back in?  I am assuming it is something like a lobster trap.  Also, could someone give me the English version of "2 drone" diameter?  I am guessing 1/4 to 3/8 diameter.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2010, 05:52:30 pm »
If you use a solid cone, such as a funnel, they will go back in. If you use 1/8 in. hardware cloth, they see only the wire "fence" and cannot distinguish the entrance from the smaller holes. They do not see the cone shape.

Yes, approx. 3/8 inch Diameter, maybe even a half inch.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2010, 06:14:53 pm »
Thank you.  Very interesting
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2011, 02:16:26 am »
Quote from: Meadlover on October 09, 2010, 08:28:10 pm
I like that one too Robo. I think I might use a combo of both rags and alfoil on this trapout.
Thanks guys.
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Would a can of foam insulation work?
I am getting ready to do a trap out of an oak tree with an odd entrance/exit configuration and plan to use it around the board to control the exit.... would like to know if it may be ok.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2011, 07:59:36 am »
Just a FYI
I have used silver color metal window screening and it has worked well
I don't overlap it very much so its stays some what transparent 
I am doing one as I type ,I'll try and get a Pic of it

If you use the foam you will kill a bunch of bees Now that I mentioned the screen maybe you could use it
for the hard to stopup,angle's on the tree??

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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2011, 08:33:59 am »
Bees will remove the foam after it sets.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2011, 08:41:43 am »
Quote from: Tommyt on May 03, 2011, 07:59:36 am
Just a FYI
I have used silver color metal window screening and it has worked well
I don't overlap it very much so its stays some what transparent 
I am doing one as I type ,I'll try and get a Pic of it

If you use the foam you will kill a bunch of bees Now that I mentioned the screen maybe you could use it
for the hard to stopup,angle's on the tree??

Tommyt
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Tommyt,
Thanks,
I failed to mention that I planned to put s screen at an angle between limb and trunk...at an angle up to the board creating a 3-5" channel to the board exit hole...then put the foam on top of the screen to block several small rotten cavities in the limb and tree which could be used as exits. The foam would not come in contact with the bees....unless they choose to contact it where it fills the hole(s) I will not use it if fumes from it may hurt the bees.....? Or are you thinking of them chewing on it and hurting themselves?
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2011, 07:42:27 am »
Hi iddee,

You say

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Catch box, either hive body, super, or nuc, with all frames except one.
One frame of brood and EGGS. Yes, I capitalized EGGS.

Do you mean all frames except for one to allow for the frame of brood and eggs? ie in a full, use 9 frames plus the frame of brood and eggs?

Are the frames with or without foundation?

Thanks mate
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2011, 07:59:43 am »
I have another question regarding the "hardware cloth".
Here in Oz we don't have easy access to your #8 (1/8" \ 3.175mm) mesh. What we do have easy access to is 3mm mesh with 1.2mm wire dia or 3.3mm mesh with .91mm wire dia.

I imagine the smaller wire diameter would be more suitable but I am unsure if the 3.3mm 'holes' would be too large?

Any input on this?

Thanks
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2011, 08:40:42 am »
ShaneJ, #7 wire mesh is roughly .143 inches and is believed to be almost perfect for using in building small hive beetle traps...lets the bigger beetles through but keeps the bees in/out.  Unfortunately it's about as scarce as hen's teeth. :(   

#6 mesh wire (which is reported to let *some* bees through) works out to something like .167 inches.   

Your 3.3mm works out to being roughly .130 inches which is a tighter mesh than even the #7 wire mesh is and should hold the bees fine.

This is considering that I've disregarded wire gauge in my calculations and that all my calculations are correct, which I believe they are being as I took my boots off so I could use all of my digits. ;)

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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2011, 10:24:11 am »
Thanks Ed, very helpful.

I do have yet another question that I have found conflicting answers to. The frame that I source from my existing hive with eggs and brood, is it ok to take some bees with it? If not what is the best way to remove the bees without disturbing the eggs?
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2011, 10:37:31 am »
The catch box should contain the egg frame, plus enough frames to fill the box.

Either wire should work. Use the one that is easier to fold and mold into a cone.

Shake the bees off the egg frame, leave them on, or place a whole weak hive on the trap with queen, to bolster it's strength. It doesn't matter.
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2011, 07:44:15 pm »
Thanks mate.

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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2011, 06:07:48 am »
I have just read about 60 posts on this forum regarding foundationless frames. I don't have the time or the equipment at this stage to modify frames with guides etc, so will using frames with fresh foundation be ok with the one frame of eggs/brood?

Thanks
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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2011, 07:21:24 am »
Quote from: ShaneJ on November 03, 2011, 06:07:48 am
I have just read about 60 posts on this forum regarding foundationless frames. I don't have the time or the equipment at this stage to modify frames with guides etc, so will using frames with fresh foundation be ok with the one frame of eggs/brood?

Thanks

 I read one frame EGGS
and

May bee one a frame of brood  :?


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Re: Materials for a trap out
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2011, 07:46:52 am »
In Iddee's other thread "Setup the trap out" he says:

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On the day of the setup, I will remove a frame of brood, WITH EGGS,

I have read Iddee's posts over and over just to get the plan set out in my head.

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