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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. => Topic started by: Michael Bush on September 14, 2011, 03:13:40 am
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Some ways to improve the answers you get and your experience on the forums.
1) Pick an informative subject line. No one has time to read all the posts and if your subject line doesn't catch the attention of those who would be interested in that subject you will miss your best responses. Lines like “Question” or “Why” are far too vague. One like “question about crowded hive trying to swarm” or “question about feeding a weak hive” or “why are they hanging on the front of the hive?” will narrow it down a bit so that those interested will participate.
2)Pick the right forum. e.g. If it’s a top bar question put it in the top bar forum. Those not interested in top bars then can easily ignore it and you can hopefully filter out those are simply against whatever it is you’re interested in rather than those who share your interest (top bars, organic etc.)
3) BLUF. Bottom Line Up Front. Ask your question(s) first. Then if you think you have relevant information to help, add that starting with what you think is most relevant and working to the less likely issues. Put each issue in its own paragraph or bullet point. That way if someone is reading it they can skim the rest of it for the clues they needed and skip the irrelevant parts.
If you have three paragraphs of seemingly irrelevant information which finally culminates in a simple question there is a good chance the reader will lose interest before they get to the end and just move on to another post. If the reader knows the question, then they have an idea what to skip and what questions they need answered in order to diagnose an issue.
3) Do try to put in what is relevant (time of year, your climate or location, exact number of days, recent manipulations etc.) but don’t bury the reader in irrelevant information. Think about what is relevant. Most questions about things like feeding and queens are not tied to the size of the box unless you are putting things in those terms. For example you are saying you have x number of frames of capped honey, then it might matter if they are shallow, medium or deep frames. But if you’re asking a question about how long it takes a queen to be mated, it doesn’t matter what size boxes you have so don’t distract people with that information.
4)When assessing responses, put the answers in the context of the type of beekeeper (commercial, hobby etc.) and the years of experience and compatible philosophy (scientific, organic etc.). e.g. for a commercial beekeeper any talk of salvaging a laying worker hive is just a waste of time. But for a hobbyist with two hives it’s important to try to save it.
5)When answering posts try to address the specific questions. Try to ignore any subtext of rudeness or insults and stay on topic. You can disagree with people, but you don’t need to be rude in return or rude in order to disagree. Try to stay away from blanket statements like “this is the way it is” rather say “this is what I have observed”. Just because someone has different observations does not make them wrong. Bees are very adaptable creatures and sometimes they act very differently based on small differences in climate and conditions. Odds are their observations are correct in their situation and yours are correct in yours.
6)Don’t feed the trolls. If someone presents a point where you think your position now needs to be clarified or that point addressed, then do, but once you’ve said what you have to say and they are just repeating themselves, let it go. When they are just egging people on, just ignore them. If someone is being rude they don’t deserve a response.
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I would also keep it much shorter, than say...this opening post.
Also...whether you think someone is an a-hole, idiot, cry-baby...or troll, it's better to not actually call people those things. #6 could of been just as effective leaving out the "Don't feed the trolls". While it's the same to some as saying "Don't feed the a-holes" or "don't feed the idiots"....if you look at number 6 in the above post, and just skipped the "Don't feed the trolls" part, it is just as effective and meaningful if it would of started "If someone presents a point....." Labeling others and name calling is never a good thing. There are no trolls here. they are not allowed. And I think the forum and moderators do a good job keeping them off the site. So let's not fabricate false trolls because everything is not as serious as you may want it.
Other than that, it is a good post. And while I think shoving a forum into a hard defined box, never expecting topics to go off subject, to never have a spat, and to have folks threaten to leave at the first sign of something they do not like, the forum is a place that is dynamic, entertaining, and a place to hear all views and opinions. Having everything all "PC" all the time, and worrying about what others do or not do, I think should be also good advice in what not to do. I think folks get all defensive and whiny way too much when their thread goes off course, and they read something they don't want to hear. It's almost like some really don't understand what a forum really is to many folks.
Did you really only come here to read the latest poll on what color to paint a hive? Or did you come hear because you like to chat with the wonderful members here, and read the latest jokes, the latest thoughts, and the latest entertainment....even if that mean topics go off course and someone might say something a bit outside the "box". Way too many people get offended at the first sign of two members disagreeing. And then they throw fuel on the fire thinking they are helping by pointing out some ill conceived notion that things are nasty, and they were never as bad as they see it to begin with. When you can't laugh off another persons post, and you are all serious all the time, you may need to perhaps step back away from the screen for awhile and take a breather.
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WOW.....you talk about long winded! lol
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WOW.....you talk about long winded! lol
Yeah...and with no pictures, I just hope you could read the whole thing. :lau:
Oh crap! Did this thread just get hijacked? :-D
You troll! ;)
:imsorry:
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Good post, Micheal. Good post, Mike.
All things in moderation. When posting a question, try to give a decent, short description of your problem. When reading something that you think is mean, quit reading and move to the next post. When answering a question, be clear,concise, and friendly.
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It wouldn't hurt to see Michael's points placed as a sticky topic. Labeled as a forum primer or something.
I think #3 is hardest for the new beekeepers. They don't know what's relevant so they grapeshot the information. The beer forum i'm on has a section for New brewers only. It actually gets more traffic than the general section. It's loaded with panicky new brewers and calming old brewers.
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I think #3 is hardest for the new beekeepers. They don't know what's relevant so they grapeshot the information.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If you already knew what was relevant, you probably wouldn't need to ask the question.
The beer forum i'm on
Ah, that explains everything. :-D :-D
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Iddee = Master of Brevity! :-D <3
love,
ziffa
ps. practicing my brevity skills ;)
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BLUF...#3 is the best that I see on the list!!!
I am a newcomer and have plenty of questions. Though it is very logical that when you sit down with someone to talk that you give details first. Posting to a forum is much different. Where time-conservation should be a consideration posting the question at the beginning makes sense...the person reading may or may not have an idea regarding an answer. The person who does have an answer can read on to the details and the one that doesn't can pass on by quickly (if he wants to). I've been guilty of giving the details first and then asking my questions at the end but I will be changing that habit asap! ;)
Thanks Michael,
Ed
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BLUF...#3 is the best that I see on the last!!!
Thanks Michael,
Ed
Ok.....maybe there should be a mention of proofreading the post prior to posting. So confusion is minimal and time is not wasted. I read the post above and thought it concerned the last post. But now I think it should read "....I see on the list!!!" It took a second of asking myself "What last? Last post? Last???...oh.... he meant "list!"
Of course if folks would make a mental note of the correction, and not take the time to post as I am doing, they would save plenty of time. :-D
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#s 5 & 6 just take all the fun out it :thunder:
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#s 5 & 6 just take all the fun out it :thunder:
Oh give me a break, you big cry-baby! uh..! :-D
Good posting! I'm a geek and think more information is better, but is seems that sometimes the posts that have less information get more response.
For me, the time spent crafting a post is also indicative of the amount of time I'm willing to spend answering it. Bad speling, grammer, and carles mestakes tell me somebody didn't spend the time to proof the post, and often I won't bother spending the time answering it. But that's just because I'm a troll. :devilbanana:
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There are no trolls here. they are not allowed. And I think the forum and moderators do a good job keeping them off the site. So let's not fabricate false trolls because everything is not as serious as you may want it.
WRONG Your definition of a "troll" is what??? Here is mine.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.... So according to this, there are DOZENS of trolls here.
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Furthermore
Did you really only come here to read the latest poll on what color to paint a hive? Or did you come hear because you like to chat with the wonderful members here, and read the latest jokes, the latest thoughts, and the latest entertainment....even if that mean topics go off course and someone might say something a bit outside the "box". Way too many people get offended at the first sign of two members disagreeing. And then they throw fuel on the fire thinking they are helping by pointing out some ill conceived notion that things are nasty, and they were never as bad as they see it to begin with. When you can't laugh off another persons post, and you are all serious all the time, you may need to perhaps step back away from the screen for awhile and take a breather.
If you look under the "Member and Guest Interaction" section of this Board, There is a "MINI BEES KIDS FORUM". If everyone wants to act like a child, mabey this is a better place for it.
I come here to learn. When you have 20 men trying to be Gods gift to the Honeybee.... It makes it real difficult to insure the survival of my bees.
There can only be 1 Michael Bush! Learn to live with it!!!
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""There can only be 1 Michael Bush! Learn to live with it!!! ""
And that's a good thing. Although Micheal is a VERY knowledgeable beek, IMHO, he is a very radical beek. Try anything at any time just to see if it will work. That, as far as I see, is not the best fit for a new beek. First year beeks can, in no way, expect their outcome to be the same as Mike's. He is drawing from many years of experience and will make instant changes in a hive when needed. A new beek cannot do these things.
We need new beeks, intermediate beeks, old time beeks, hobbyist beeks, sideliners, and commercial beeks.
We need ultra radical beeks, mid road beeks, and ultra conservative beeks. That's the only way a newbee can get a well rounded education in beekeeping. He will never be complete if all he knows is what works.He must also know what doesn't.
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It has been corrected bb, I will exit now
BLUF...#3 is the best that I see on the last!!!
Thanks Michael,
Ed
Ok.....maybe there should be a mention of proofreading the post prior to posting. So confusion is minimal and time is not wasted. I read the post above and thought it concerned the last post. But now I think it should read "....I see on the list!!!" It took a second of asking myself "What last? Last post? Last???...oh.... he meant "list!"
Of course if folks would make a mental note of the correction, and not take the time to post as I am doing, they would save plenty of time. :-D
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Here is the Troll- "There can only be 1 Michael Bush! Learn to live with it"
Here is the response- "And that's a good thing. Although Micheal is a VERY knowledgeable beek, IMHO, he is a very radical beek. Try anything at any time just to see if it will work. That, as far as I see, is not the best fit for a new beek. First year beeks can, in no way, expect their outcome to be the same as Mike's. He is drawing from many years of experience and will make instant changes in a hive when needed. A new beek cannot do these things.
We need new beeks, intermediate beeks, old time beeks, hobbyist beeks, sideliners, and commercial beeks.
We need ultra radical beeks, mid road beeks, and ultra conservative beeks. That's the only way a newbee can get a well rounded education in beekeeping. He will never be complete if all he knows is what works.He must also know what doesn't."
It only took minutes for it to happen. Hopefully we understand what a Troll is now...
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It only took minutes for it to happen. Hopefully we understand what a Troll is now...
when you have been here awhile you will understand the personalities of the old time posters. you will get good info from all, but they will not agree. sometimes it gets a little heated, but that does not detract from the choices of actions you will be given.
the more ideas you are given, the more choices you will have. that's hard for new beekeepers, but it is how you will find what works for you.
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""It only took minutes for it to happen. Hopefully we understand what a Troll is now..""
So you are admitting you post only to stir the pot. Well, since I try not to be a troll, it makes it difficult to see one at times. I try to give honest answers to sincere newbies, and some not so new. I will try to remember you aren't looking for answers, just responses.
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iddee, I in no way meant disrespect to you. Although I do not agree with coming on a thread started by Mike, to disrespect him. Start your own thread on how you dont agree with him.... It is as simple as that. I am a member of several Forums from Powerstroke Diesel's to Gardening. This is the only place I experience such cut-throat behavior.
I was just making an example, sorry you had the be the first one through the door.
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And I'm sorry you have such an ability to misread a post. Maybe that is why you see so many negatives that others don't. I never said anything at all derogatory toward Mike. I said his advanced learning and experience will produce much better results then a first year beek trying to do the same thing. I don't see where you see anything but a compliment to him in that statement.
Unless, of course, you are just misinterpreting to get responses.
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For me, the time spent crafting a post is also indicative of the amount of time I'm willing to spend answering it. Bad speling, grammer, and carles mestakes tell me somebody didn't spend the time to proof the post, and often I won't bother spending the time answering it.
I disagree respectfully :-D I don't type i peck and pick. I also don't spell well without spell check. I do try and read my post over but I sometimes look a couple more times and modify the post with minor changes trying to get the spelling and grammar etc. right.
I then am told, "you modify your post and it looks like you are trying to hide something." Say What :-D
Who gives a rats ------! Sounds like i dooooo--- NOT :-*
See I did it modified :devilbanana:
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It is as simple as that. I am a member of several Forums from Powerstroke Diesel's to Gardening. This is the only place I experience such cut-throat behavior
and you have seen nothing yet. :-) wait until we really do get bored! try not to read to much into posts. maybe you have been places where people guard what they write so that no one is offended. in my experience, those places are useless when it comes to gathering info. here, you will get some good arguments and many times they will not be sugar coated. for that....you get good info. it's up to you whether you can take it.
i don't think any of us write with the intention to offend. however...if you write honestly, here or elsewhere, you will offend someone. not everyone can take an honest opinion.
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My humble .02 cents to this, is for people to utilize the search function before they post-chances are its on here somewhere.
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Great topic--thanks!
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iddee Ok, did I miss something? Why would I, as a first year Beek, not want to learn from an experienced Beek like Mike, or you, or WHOEVER? Who said anything about me wanting to be someone else, or run a "radical" Apiary, changing things on a whim just cause I can??? Remember the part where I said... Gods gift to Bees... Let me know how that works for you.
I just did a newspaper combine this morning and am now down to 1 hive. Any suggestions on something "radical" I can do to my 1 hive of bees? Are you starting to understand?
I guess you are so used to being attacked/attacking, it is all you know. Good Luck to you my Brother. My part of our conversation is over. Feel free to tell me all about myself now.
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It's highly ironic that a thread requesting no trolling, flaming or fighting has degraded into those things. Course it also asked people not to respond to those things, which apparently I am doing anyway.
This is a polite, simple, noncontroversial request to be clear, concise and accurate in order that posters get good responses to their questions. Is this seriously that controversial?
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It is as simple as that. I am a member of several Forums from Powerstroke Diesel's to Gardening. This is the only place I experience such cut-throat behavior
and you have seen nothing yet. :-) wait until we really do get bored!
:lol: I love you kathyp! We need more of you in the world. I know I will never change a bunch of old farts... Just want them to see things from a different view. Sometimes things snowball over time with Guys, and it becomes the norm..... although it is not always right.
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Good thoughts Micheal Bush
Thanks for taking the time
Tommyt
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You seem like someone already on here :roll:
That someone seems to have a spacial feeling for MB ,will always reply
with a twist,others here seem to think there may be an underlying jealousy
but you just never know .... you have to realize this is the WWW where you never really know
who it is, your typing too.
If you truly are new
Hello,hope you enjoy
If you stick around you will see IDDEE has a lot to say,
The reason......he has a lot of Knowledge,he shares for FREE,he also seems jealous of no-one
I know I will never change a bunch of old farts... Just want them to see things from a different view
= weekly/monthly rant :roll:
Tommyt
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iddee Ok, did I miss something? Why would I, as a first year Beek, not want to learn from an experienced Beek like Mike, or you, or WHOEVER? Who said anything about me wanting to be someone else, or run a "radical" Apiary, changing things on a whim just cause I can??? Remember the part where I said... Gods gift to Bees... Let me know how that works for you.
I just did a newspaper combine this morning and am now down to 1 hive. Any suggestions on something "radical" I can do to my 1 hive of bees? Are you starting to understand?
I guess you are so used to being attacked/attacking, it is all you know. Good Luck to you my Brother. My part of our conversation is over. Feel free to tell me all about myself now.
Maybe Im missing something, but I dont think that Iddee was meaning anything derogatory. I didnt take it that way at all and I still consider myself a new beek-entering my second winter with bees. Bottom line is..do what works for YOUR bees and you. Dont do anything simply because MB, Bjorn, or Iddee does it a particular way. They all do what works for them and their bees in their area. Ive tried techniques from alot of different seasoned beeks on here-some things Ive kept and others I havent. Try not to get too fired up -its not even Winter yet. Thats when things get real exciting on here.
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Thanks, Tommy....
No, there was nothing derogatory in my post. MB has many hives. Not just Langs. He has foundation, foundationless, all med., deeps, Small cell, ETC. He can walk through a yard and spot problems a newbie wouldn't see if they were pointed out to him. He knows bees.
Now, if that was the only person answering questions on here, many answers would go way beyond usable for a new beek that may not know the difference in capped honey and capped brood.
This forum is great because of it's variety, light-heartedness, combination of knowledge from all around the world, and in all aspects of beekeeping. We need all members, at all levels.
That is all I was trying to say.
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Thanks, Tommy....
No, there was nothing derogatory in my post. MB has many hives. Not just Langs. He has foundation, foundationless, all med., deeps, Small cell, ETC. He can walk through a yard and spot problems a newbie wouldn't see if they were pointed out to him. He knows bees.
Now, if that was the only person answering questions on here, many answers would go way beyond usable for a new beek that may not know the difference in capped honey and capped brood.
This forum is great because of it's variety, light-heartedness, combination of knowledge from all around the world, and in all aspects of beekeeping. We need all members, at all levels.
That is all I was trying to say.
Completely agree!
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Tommyt, Im new here... I promise. Just bought my first hive in June. As far as MB, he is an innocent bystander in this thread! I used him to make a point. Thats it. I found his website during the publicity around his book and never heard of him before that. Although as a newbie, I must say I appreciate his taking the time to furnish folks like me valuable info. Anyway, :cheer: Thanks for being the first not to misconstrue a simple point.
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And just so everyone can sleep tonite, I just want to say, if I took 3 of the 50 negative words from iddee out of text i am sooo sorry. NOT
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Sorry, not biting.
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Take a break iddee. ;)
I'll step in. :-D
As far as MB, he is an innocent bystander in this thread! I used him to make a point.
I can't believe you drug MB through the mud and openly admit that you used him. What kind of sick twisted troll are you? MB is idolized by some in a cult like way. Some I guess you could say follow in a hypnotic state of mind. How dare you "use him" like that.
What nerve!
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I know that I need etiquette in posting of questions. Try to receive instruction and wisdom with an open mind.
Even with keepers within the same county as I (Iddee) their practice may not work with my hive, but with knowledge hundreds of miles away will show results! I just listen and try!!!
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What kind of soap opera is this? "As the beeks bicker the bees fly away" loflmao
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good post .. i may add .. when u are selling something add your area :exzample: 8 frame extractor (new jersey)
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Interesting post to start out with. I do have to admit that this has turned into the perfect example of what happens around here in middle of winter when everyone is cooped up and bored. Lord if this stuff is going on now we aren't gonna have any posters by spring next year. :-D
It's easy to look for the bad in people but a lot harder to see the good especially when you don't see eye to eye with them. Just a word of advice to stay as a contributing member of the forum.
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Take a break iddee. ;)
I'll step in. :-D
As far as MB, he is an innocent bystander in this thread! I used him to make a point.
I can't believe you drug MB through the mud and openly admit that you used him. What kind of sick twisted troll are you? MB is idolized by some in a cult like way. Some I guess you could say follow in a hypnotic state of mind. How dare you "use him" like that.
What nerve!
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:lau: I know right! The nerve of me to come in here with only 20 posts trying to make a simple point to YOU. Yes, YOU ScornedBee (my nickname for you). I never said a thing to iddee or MB for that matter. iddee is the one who turned this into MB is a radicalist with Nazi bees or whatever his agenda was. Let me make this clear for all those who still dont get it. I made a post or 2 to correct a misunderstanding on ScornedBee's part. I USED MB as an example, me being the troll, MB as the bait. I see MB didnt mind because he isnt here snot-nosing like yall. MB had ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with the point I was making. Niether did iddee.... he just made it that way.
I see from the fact you will not address my initial point, and would rather make it a MB thing instead of a ScornedBee doesnt know what a Troll is thing...... I must be right. So you and the rest of the Trolls around here have at it.
This morning I had 20 hours of time logged in here at Beemasters sifting through 2/3 nonsense 1/3 information I am looking for, yet I only had 20 posts. Several hours later, MB is a Nazi, iddee loves Nazi's, lovin honey only knows how to agree, and Scorned Bee is the word.
:deadhorse: Deuces people. I am going back to no posting and sifting through horse shi :thunder:
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You see iddee....that is how you do it! :lau:
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shame on you BB for hitting nerves ;) that's just not nice at all.
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One last post to try to explain.
MB hasn't been on the forum since this started, so it would be hard for him to have responded. When he does, I think he will know a ultra-conservative beek keeps 10 frame equipment with large cell, full sheet foundation. Nothing else.
A radical beek keeps many things. TBH, long hives, all mediums, 8 frame, two queen hives, and on and on. MB has the knowledge and experience to do this, and it's what he enjoys. I would not expect a beek with a year or less experience to try these things.
There is no animosity there. Just stating why a newbie cannot expect to do all the things that MB does. If he could, MB just wasted many years of trying different things and writing about what worked for him and what didn't. Then read everything he could, to compare his results with other experts.
Where you came up with this Nazi bull is a total product of a closed mind that refuses to even read an opposing side to your own.
Last post on this thread. Common sense cannot prevail.
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One last post to explain.
Thank yall for saving me $10.00. The last 2 months, my local Beekeepers Association had a State meeting followed by the yearly dinner last month. This coming Tuesday I was finally going to be able to join and enjoy the company of like minded folks. HaHaHa. After today, they would have to pay me to sit in a room full of you people.
Mabey someone needs to do a study on a possible link between bee venom, and Dementia.
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ok now ,jp and i had first dibbs on the bickering beekeepers :-D ........schawee
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I was finally going to be able to join and enjoy the company of like minded folks.
if it's Borg like thinking you want, not only did you join the wrong hobby, but the wrong site. no one learns by hearing only one thing told one way.
what's that old hippy term? PEACE OUT :rainbowflower:
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many answers would go way beyond usable for a new beek that may not know the difference in capped honey and capped brood.
is that a shot at me ? :-D j/k
directed at no one in particular,
seems to me like this is a useful place to benefit from the experiences of others. the original post on this thread is no exception ( seems like good advice to me). lots of very helpful beekeepers on here are willing to share their thoughts and experiences, all one has to do is ask. however i feel that one should not be surprised if those insights come in the form of opinions. after all isn't that really what we are looking for when we ask a question ? opinions will vary and this is not unique to beekeepers or beekeeping. i have a hunch that if i asked ten random beeks on here how to perform a specific task i would get 6 or 8, maybe even 10 different ways to do said task. one answer doesn't make the others wrong and being opinionated doesn't neccessarily make someone a troll. just my $0.02
now what was this thread about again ?
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>I think #3 is hardest for the new beekeepers. They don't know what's relevant so they grapeshot the information.
But if they go through the mental process of attempting to figure out what is relevant that will be learning experience in itself.
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>I think #3 is hardest for the new beekeepers. They don't know what's relevant so they grapeshot the information.
But if they go through the mental process of attempting to figure out what is relevant that will be learning experience in itself.
Absolutely! but that is the voice of experience talking (and it's right). The voice of inexperience, upon seeing water drip out the front of a hive in winter, is more like, "OMG WHERE DID THAT WATER COME FROM ARE THE BEES DEAD DID I KILL THE BEES HOW DID WATER GET IN THE HIVE DO I NEED TO FEED THEM MORE SHOULD I ADD MORE BOXES IT'S 20°F OUTSIDE SHOULD I OPEN THE HIVE MY GRANDPA SAID TO PUT A CEDAR STUMP ON TOP OF THE HIVE I'M THE WORST BEEKEEPER EVER I'M THE WORST BEEKEEPER EVER I NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE FORUM GOD I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SEE THIS BEFORE WHAT IF THEY HAVEN'T IS IT TRACHEAL MITES IS IT FOULBROOD OMG I MELTED MY BEES!".
Then they make a post on the forum thinking this is a unique event (having forgotten that condensation lesson from bee class 12 months ago). They post everything they've done with the bees that year - including using pine needles in the smoker- because they just can't figure out how in H*ll water got in their hive.
Then kathyp comments saying, "it just condensation from the bees breathing. tilt the hive forward slightly so it runs out and all will be fine. :)
They panic because they think bees are super fragile i guess. I've done it plenty. Experience is knowing the bees have been doing this longer than i have and to trust them.
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OMG WHERE DID THAT WATER COME FROM ARE THE BEES DEAD DID I KILL THE BEES HOW DID WATER GET IN THE HIVE DO I NEED TO FEED THEM MORE SHOULD I ADD MORE BOXES IT'S 20°F OUTSIDE SHOULD I OPEN THE HIVE MY GRANDPA SAID TO PUT A CEDAR STUMP ON TOP OF THE HIVE I'M THE WORST BEEKEEPER EVER I'M THE WORST BEEKEEPER EVER I NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE FORUM GOD I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SEE THIS BEFORE WHAT IF THEY HAVEN'T IS IT TRACHEAL MITES IS IT FOULBROOD OMG I MELTED MY BEES!
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And on the other hand,think how boring it would be here if all any one did was use the search features to find the answers. I am just glad we have a forum that has active members willing to offer advice in fairly short notice. I've been to a couple forums and questioned things and it took days to get an answer.And that is on forums that have a half million members( albeit many are spam bot members which we work hard to delete).
But to the original post,it is best to ask the question you want the answer to rather than bury your thoughts in too many details.
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Scrapiron:
I just read all these posts, after getting some member's PMs concerning you. I have to say if anyone is TROLLING here it is you. looking for people to bite on the chum you are tossing into the forum - not smart at all, especially for a relatively new member - confrontation is NOT allowed to go on and provocation to illicit confrontation is a big no-no here.
Some people find your type "Cute" and "Enjoyable" and it is THESE members that can chew you up and spit you up when they get tired of you. Right now, you are in the "Cat toy Phase" nothing more than a laser pen or a squeaky plastic mouse, but I promise you this, when they tire of you, they will push your buttons and you will over-react and OUT the door you will go. I've seen it dozens of times here, you are nothing new and typically your type is short-lived among our membership.
I'll leave this up to you. Don't reply in this post again, nor start a new post on the same subject as you suggested to do on page one of this post. Find another issue, I think you have beaten this one enough. I like strong willed people, but don't tell the members or moderators what argumentative is, I think we can all read it in your few pointed posts, and we see it without your needing to clarify it for us.
"Gee Beemaster, that is censorship and against First Amendment" You bet it is... Have a nice day and find a new topic, a friendlier one in this forum - which BTW is not a request.
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lovin honey only knows how to agree.
Well, I disagree with this. There, are you happy now?
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lovin honey only knows how to agree.
Well, I disagree with this. There, are you happy now?
I am laughing so hard I almost peed my pants(thank gosh I had that bladder sling surgery)
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It would be nice if some of these "questions" were broken out into proper paragraphs. When I see a WALL of words i usually move on.
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bullet points.
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>It would be nice if some of these "questions" were broken out into proper paragraphs. When I see a WALL of words i usually move on.
>bullet points.
Exactly. Especially if they have the topic up front and the paragraph (if necessary) following so you can pick out the relevant stuff.