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Title: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: ziffabeek on October 21, 2010, 03:44:11 pm
I just read that they confirmed through testing that the bees that stung that man to death in Albany, were indeed africanized.  I know we knew it would happen, but I'm so sad.

love,
ziffa

Sorry, here's the link:  http://www.albanyherald.com/home/headlines/Tests_confirm_Africanized_bees_responsible_for_mans_death.html (http://www.albanyherald.com/home/headlines/Tests_confirm_Africanized_bees_responsible_for_mans_death.html)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: beewitch on October 21, 2010, 04:25:12 pm
Well, that is a total bummer.  I'm going home to watch my girls and hope the frost line in GA keeps them south of me ... 
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: AllenF on October 21, 2010, 05:23:44 pm
That sucks.    I wonder what it will do to the package and queen market in south Georgia?   I wonder how they skipped north Florida? 


Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Mason on October 25, 2010, 01:24:17 pm
I think it is likely that someone brought the bees up from south Florida by accident. 
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: AllenF on October 25, 2010, 07:42:18 pm
Probably a Gator fan.   :-D
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: fish_stix on October 25, 2010, 10:23:15 pm
YEP! You GA guys "Be Afraid!" You have them coming at you from 2 directions, West and South. Start wringing your hands now and worrying; they're gonna kill all of you. Keep your kids and pets inside and make those kids wear veils when they go off to school. Might as well go ahead and kill off your bees right now too; for sure they'll be goners soon. Worry, worry, worry, worry, worry, worry, worry................................................................................................... :roll:
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: AllenF on October 25, 2010, 10:29:58 pm
And now we are getting attacked from the north (again)  by invading buffalo.   Look what they are doing to pools in North Georgia.  ]

http://www.youtube.com/user/chrismaker0510#p/a/u/1/jwEajxLSD5w (http://www.youtube.com/user/chrismaker0510#p/a/u/1/jwEajxLSD5w)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure
Post by: tecumseh on October 26, 2010, 07:59:55 am
I suspect (don't really know for certain) that fish stik and I carry about the same twisted sense of humor?

might I add just a bit to his comments...

1) fear, fear and more fear seems to be the only human behavior trait some folks really understand.  THAT will certainly make the situation better... right?

2) since your own bees are now such a source of worry why not do the right thing and just give them to me for safe keeping.

3) please don't try to come to really understand the problem for certainly that might stand in the way of the one human behavior characteristic that you do seem to understand.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on October 26, 2010, 09:44:45 am
Yep....mention of AHBs and before anyone can even make a negative comment, and you have beekeepers being all defensive and such. Figures, from the group of beekeepers who already have them in their area, or will shortly.

Truth is....I don't want them in my operation. If you do, then fine. But don't denigrate me (or others) for not "promoting" or suggesting that we should have no concerns. Except in cases where someone was highly allergic and would of died from any type bee sting, almost all "stinging incidents" over the past 20 years where someone has died, are from AHB areas or from documented AHB bees. Go laugh and tell the family of that dead man that there is no danger and we should all somehow promote AHBs.

Show me a stinging incident where someone died of EHBs. Not a one time allergic reaction. But a stinging incident meaning a massive attack and a hundred of more stings. All of them are AHBs. There is a difference. There is an increased risk.

I find it ironic that the death of a person results in the finding of AHBs for the first time in Georgia, while some claim there is nothing to be concerned about. When was the last person killed by bees in Georgia under circumstances such as this? It's not like this is a daily situation, and by some luck, AHBs were discovered. The announcement of finding AHBs for the first time, from the death of a person by a stinging incident, while others somehow suggesting AHbs are seemingly safe, is irony at it's best.

Are they as bad as the media hype. No. Are there probably benefits of AHB genetics. Yes. Are there negative impacts to feral genetic pools? Yes. Will certain townships and towns see restrictions if AHBs move into an area? Yes. Is the spread of AHBs good for the community? No. Will I educate the public by suggesting there are no concerns? No.

The business will sort out the bee hype on it's own. If the southern beekeepers, who probably is more concerned with protecting their own operations or hobby than anything else, continues to provide safe and workable bees, then the impact will be low. If on the other hand, they supply nasty bees, then the consumer will ultimately decide. In the past few years, I have received probably several dozen calls from beekeepers with extremely nasty bees. And I will not mention the operation in Texas that the bees came from. But I suppose from other posts and comments, it would be known to most. I helped more than several of these beekeepers requeen. And my last suggestion is to perhaps buy from providers in areas where AHBs are not established. And I don't think that is a concept that needs much promotion. Most beekeepers once educated, can make rational decisions of where to by bees based on such matters. And I don't think a bunch of southern beekeepers claiming in a thread about a dead guy, that there are no issues, will change that thought process much.  

Did I ever send off samples of these nasty bees? No. Why be the first to find AHBs in the local area when others will swoop in and use it as an excuse for funding and ultimately have no authority or goal to stop the shipping of bees, yet will try to force me into policies and restrictions on a local level.

If the southern beekeepers make an effort to keep AHBs out of their commercial industry, then they will benefit. If the southern beekeepers take the position that AHBs are no problem and suggest that shipping off these bees are of no concern, I think their business will suffer.

You can bash me all you want. What I say is true, and my opinion. And it is an opinion of most beekeepers I know outside of those already in AHB territory. It's not about fear. It's about not wanting AHB in my operation or in the local area for a host of public and environmental reasons.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: iddee on October 26, 2010, 10:23:41 am
I think there is a difference in promoting, and realizing the inevitable.
The beeks in the south can and will fight the invasion, but will eventually lose. Minimizing the impact by teaching the truth rather than exploding the horror myths will make everyone's life easier.

The AHB are being kept from Chili to the southern US and the beeks in their future territory will do the same. Going to the extreme in either direction is never a good thing.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: FRAMEshift on October 26, 2010, 11:57:06 am
I think there is a difference in promoting, and realizing the inevitable.
The beeks in the south can and will fight the invasion, but will eventually lose.
When we're talking about biological systems, things are usually not so black and white.  I realize that some AHB genes will find their way into our bees in North Carolina.  That does not mean it's inevitable that we will all be raising AHB in our backyards.  As the AHB moves north, their survival will depend on acquiring some EHB traits such as clustering and honey storage.  Constant swarming is not a survival trait in a cold climate. 

Many hives have been lost to mites and disease so the competition offered to AHB invasion has been weakened.  But there is still time to educate and encourage the public.  A big increase in the number of EHB hives will offer real competition to the invasion and will dilute out the AHB at some latitude. 

Also, it is possible to establish  "drone islands" where queens will be saturated with EHB drones and AHB genes can be effectively excluded.  Jack Tapp at Busy Bee Apiaries in Chapel Hill is already establishing a large area of drone saturation.  If AHB gets really bad, we will buy all our queens from Jack.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Mason on October 26, 2010, 04:19:16 pm
When this hit the news I was bombed with emails from friends that know I am a hobbyist beekeeper.  Some rational inquiries and others completely in a panic.  I of course educated them the best I could about the reality of the situation.  All of the articles claim that local beekeepers are the best defense against AHB.  I'm sure that queen breeders and commercial guys have a larger impact and therefore larger responsibility and liability.  If Georgia gets a bunch of nuisance regulations regarding beekeeping we all lose.  As a hobbyist I figured the best thing I could do was to educate.  If anyone knows of something else I should be doing please educate me.

The man died.  I'm sure his family would see no humor in some of these remarks and will not readily distinguish between AHB and EHB bees for a very long time.  It's pretty darn tragic in many ways and that is the reality.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: fish_stix on October 26, 2010, 10:50:24 pm
Bjornbee; I went back and read every post; nobody denigrated anyone else or suggested that there's nothing to be concerned about, although my post came closest. The fact is that there are many beekeepers in the US who live with AHB and don't have a serious problem doing it. Is someone going to tell us that beekeeping is now impossible in TX, AZ, NM, UT, CA, NV, OK, LA and FL? Or that you can't work your bees in those areas. Life goes on. If you get AHB you handle the problem just like you have to handle every other pest and problem with bees. There's nothing on earth that you can do about the spread of AHB except handle your problem if you get AHB. And, of course you don't want them in your hives, neither do I, nor anyone else who has had any experience with them. At the same time, it's not the end of earth as we know it. As I stated on a previous post, I work in shorts and tee shirts, as do many others in AHB areas, and don't plan on buying a beesuit. Our local bee inspector has tons of experience with them as his area is East Central and South FL. Yesterday I watched as he inspected some bees just brought down from MN; first time I've ever seen him wear a veil and I've known him for about 18-20 years.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure
Post by: tecumseh on October 27, 2010, 08:46:08 am
what fish stik said...

Mason writes:
The man died.  I'm sure his family would see no humor in some of these remarks and will not readily distinguish between AHB and EHB bees for a very long time.  It's pretty darn tragic in many ways and that is the reality.

tecumseh:
your job at this time is PR in nature and the above sentiment (imho) will go a long way to smooth the problem over.  I hope you did not find anything I said in my prior post as humorous or light hearted?

statement like...
'Show me a stinging incident where someone died of EHBs. Not a one time allergic reaction. But a stinging incident meaning a massive attack and a hundred of more stings.'

tecumseh:
this will not sell so well to the family, friends, neighbors or local community.  I could of course provide the example you ask for, but will not.

you can assume by the above statement that 'the example' is highly personal.


Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: ziffabeek on October 28, 2010, 02:35:00 pm
For me, Mason hit the nail the closest.  I have one hive in an in-town neighborhood.  I did not post this (or at least mean to post this) in a state of panic about my bees being AHB or to raise fear among my beekeeping friends here in GA.  I posted this in sorrow and, yes, a little worry, about what the reaction of my non-beekeeping neighbors would be.  If I'm afraid of anything, it's that someone is going to freak out on my hive and I won't be allowed to have it anymore, regardless of its behavior, or that I'll wake up one morning and someone will have damaged the hive out of fear/to send a message.

Mason - you're right, all we can do is try to educate and inform and manage our hives.  I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but some of these in-town NPC members have entirely too much time on their hands.  I'm crossing my fingers that this passes without too much notice on the public's part. 

 

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: David McLeod on October 31, 2010, 06:47:07 pm
Mason, mentioned possible increased regs. That would be my only concern regarding this (probably more on a local town by town ordinance level) than anything else. My only other major concern is not actually a regulation concern, though if what I fear happens it could be. That concern is the NWCOs and PCOs (nuisance wildlife / pest control operators) out there that are barely half trained on how to deal with honeybees other than hose them and rip into the wall. Let one of these half assed dudes stumble into the wrong swarm or colony and we have fodder for the news shows (and alot of these guys just love to ham it up in front of a camera). I'm not sure how beeks can prevent that but it is a scenario that scares the bejeesus out of me on many levels both as a beek and a NWCO.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Mason on November 04, 2010, 03:15:45 pm
You must be talking about guys like this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g#)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: hardwood on November 04, 2010, 03:24:10 pm
Wow, that big ol' "nest" only had 3,000-5,000 bees in it?

What a jerk!

Scott
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: AliciaH on November 04, 2010, 03:48:14 pm
Yea, but what about that bee suit?  I'm laughing all the way out to my hives!
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 04, 2010, 04:16:33 pm
Wow, that big ol' "nest" only had 3,000-5,000 bees in it?

What a jerk!

Scott

Why is he a jerk?
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: rdy-b on November 04, 2010, 06:15:29 pm
   Everybody needs a NICHE-- ;) RDY-B
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Tommyt on November 04, 2010, 09:30:38 pm
You must be talking about guys like this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g#)

Jack hole had no Dust or Ventilator Mask and sprayed they Silica
IMHO he will be losing his lungs kinda like the bees losing there life

Tommyt
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 04, 2010, 09:45:14 pm
You must be talking about guys like this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g#)

Jack hole had no Dust or Ventilator Mask and sprayed they Silica
IMHO he will be losing his lungs kinda like the bees losing there life

Tommyt

So anyone not as safety conscience as you, you go around calling them an idiot or jack hole.

So I guess that includes smokers, bikers who drive with no helmets, beer drinkers, and a host of other people not on your same level. Is this correct? Why do you care what another person does, snorts, inhales, drinks, or eats. Or are you one of these "moral crusaders" masked as a liberal, dictating what a person eats also. I hear they are going after potatoes now.  :roll:

Or was it possible that the original comment had to do with bees, and perhaps not what Billy may or may not of been inhaling? I guess we may never know.

Myself, if I called everyone an idiot that was doing something wrong to their health, I better be getting paid for it. Because it would be a fulltime job. I'd have no friends, but at least it would be a job.

Honestly.....I bet NOBODY even thought about what Billy was inhaling when they read the "idiot" comment. I bet each and every other person thought it had to do with the killing of bees. So I guess I should give you credit for rationalization at it's best.... ;)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Bee Happy on November 04, 2010, 09:56:26 pm
I don't believe that bee suit's gonna catch on in Florida.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Scadsobees on November 04, 2010, 10:15:34 pm
Wow...that exterminator is quite a brave guy!  I don't think that even JP would dare set foot near a bee hive with a feather boa around his neck!!! :-P  Just don't look cool in a bee veil, ya'know!

About the AHB...what is to keep AHB from being anywhere much less Georgia?  With all the cross country pollinators, the packages sent anywhere and everywhere from Florida and Texas, it seems pretty inevitable that they'll be hitching a ride to pretty much everywhere.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: rdy-b on November 04, 2010, 10:24:04 pm
  AH YOU just gota understand - :-D  Billy KNOWS STUFF --REALY
The Exterminators: Nature and the Bees (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_D1lkRw0TE#ws)
RDY-B
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 04, 2010, 10:42:46 pm
Great stuff!

So billy is spreading some ideas to the vast uneducated sofa lounge lizards. I bet some looked at what billy said and perhaps in some way, made them think of something about nature. You see, whether correct or not, I think the people watching him are probably better off for it, if it moves one person to look around and think about nature. Something many do not do.

I've seen billy release many animals and talk about nature in positive terms. He may not get it right all the time, but I could hardly call a person lacking in some knowledge, while laughing all the way to the bank...an idiot.

Next thing, you guys will be calling folks idiots who call honey....bee puke! But I've been told that this is a great way to "educate" young folks. And in an ironic way, I think Billy also educates some to aspects of nature that they would not of been exposed too.

Personally, I think the show is entertaining, and somewhat educational. My kids love it, as well as most who I spoke too who watch it.

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: hardwood on November 04, 2010, 10:43:03 pm
Because he's wearing the same feather boa that I had picked for my next removal!

Scott
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: rdy-b on November 04, 2010, 10:48:15 pm
Because he's wearing the same feather boa that I had picked for my next removal!

Scott
                   :lol:  I bet he bought it at WALLMART- :fishhit: :fishhit: --RDY-B
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Bee Happy on November 05, 2010, 03:13:47 am
I guess the wyld stallyns broke up anyway - I had so much more hope for Bill & Ted - when I saw Ted beat the matrix - I thought to myself - where's Bill?
I figured a guy who accidentally comes up with real brilliance like: "Why would we lie to ourselves?" would have gotten so much farther.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Tommyt on November 05, 2010, 10:04:00 am
You must be talking about guys like this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g#)

Jack hole had no Dust or Ventilator Mask and sprayed they Silica
IMHO he will be losing his lungs kinda like the bees losing there life

Tommyt

So anyone not as safety conscience as you, you go around calling them an idiot or jack hole.

So I guess that includes smokers, bikers who drive with no helmets, beer drinkers, and a host of other people not on your same level. Is this correct? Why do you care what another person does, snorts, inhales, drinks, or eats. Or are you one of these "moral crusaders" masked as a liberal, dictating what a person eats also. I hear they are going after potatoes now.  :roll:

Or was it possible that the original comment had to do with bees, and perhaps not what Billy may or may not of been inhaling? I guess we may never know.

Myself, if I called everyone an idiot that was doing something wrong to their health, I better be getting paid for it. Because it would be a fulltime job. I'd have no friends, but at least it would be a job.

Honestly.....I bet NOBODY even thought about what Billy was inhaling when they read the "idiot" comment. I bet each and every other person thought it had to do with the killing of bees. So I guess I should give you credit for rationalization at it's best.... ;)

Never argue with an Idiot you end up in their Ball Park
Advantage

Tommyt

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Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 10:23:08 am
You must be talking about guys like this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsorsEbtD3g#)

Jack hole had no Dust or Ventilator Mask and sprayed they Silica
IMHO he will be losing his lungs kinda like the bees losing there life

Tommyt

So anyone not as safety conscience as you, you go around calling them an idiot or jack hole.

So I guess that includes smokers, bikers who drive with no helmets, beer drinkers, and a host of other people not on your same level. Is this correct? Why do you care what another person does, snorts, inhales, drinks, or eats. Or are you one of these "moral crusaders" masked as a liberal, dictating what a person eats also. I hear they are going after potatoes now.  :roll:

Or was it possible that the original comment had to do with bees, and perhaps not what Billy may or may not of been inhaling? I guess we may never know.

Myself, if I called everyone an idiot that was doing something wrong to their health, I better be getting paid for it. Because it would be a fulltime job. I'd have no friends, but at least it would be a job.

Honestly.....I bet NOBODY even thought about what Billy was inhaling when they read the "idiot" comment. I bet each and every other person thought it had to do with the killing of bees. So I guess I should give you credit for rationalization at it's best.... ;)

Never argue with an Idiot you end up in their Ball Park
Advantage

Tommyt

So you call one person a "jack hole", and now after qouting
my comments, think that acting sly and indirectly
commenting about "idiots", that you somehow think what?
That this was a good response?
This is to your "advantage"?

 :lau:

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: G3farms on November 05, 2010, 10:27:52 am
back on track here...........

these are some pics of the actual site where the fella got killed and the hive of bees

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7508/dsc000902.th.jpg) (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/dsc000902.jpg/)
The hive was in a wooden porch column, pic of the column after it was turned over revealing the bees. Notice the hilift bucket at the edge of the broken open column.

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/732/dsc000942.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/i/dsc000942.jpg/)
This was the site.

Mr. Richter said that there was a 3 to 4 pound clump of bees on the cab of the loader and he took 25 stings to the head himself.

The site was located at  N 31°29.789' W 084°06.413' , google map the coordinates to see exactly where they were.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 10:33:28 am
Oh G3...your being reasonable.  :roll:

I haven't even gotten to the signature quoting scripture
and suggesting prayer for the president....from the guy who
goes around calling others "JACK HOLE!"

 :lau:

Ok, ok....I'll let it go....... :-D
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: G3farms on November 05, 2010, 10:39:17 am
I hated to jump in the middle of your morning rant, you really should switch to decaf though  :evil:

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 10:41:57 am
I hated to jump in the middle of your morning rant, you really should switch to decaf though  :evil:



I never drink coffee.

Could you imagine if I did..... :roll:
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 10:49:41 am
Personally, I wonder if any beekeepers ever had contacted Billy about taking out bees or helping with removals. We can't go around thinking every person out there should save bees or think as we do. And if the local beekeepers have not stepped up to educate, assist, and help save bees, then I think we have no right to denigrate others.

I know if I lived close to Billy, I'd be hooking up with him whenever I could to remove bees.  ;)

I think many look at others and instead of being proactive and positive, we denigrate and become judgemental. I do not know Billy personally. But I think his heart may be in the right place. A bit misinformed, but good just the same.

Ok, G3...did that sound better.  ;)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Scadsobees on November 05, 2010, 11:21:33 am
but I could hardly call a person lacking in some knowledge, while laughing all the way to the bank...an idiot.


Cher, Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Billy the feather boa exterminator who has his pant legs tied togather...

They may have the money, but they are still idiots.  Money don't bring happiness. I would never give up the life I live for the money and life they live.

It isn't the lack of some knowledge that I protest,it is the lack of it while bragging that they have the only knowledge.  Who cares about Poles and magnetism when you are just going to scorched-earth a beehive?  When somebody manifests that much ignorance in one topic, it makes me question his capabilities in other areas.

Never seen the show, so I can't judge capability in the other areas.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 11:49:32 am
Finally....... someone willing to mention the killing of the bees.   :-D

Remember the old school story about the tiny spider, that was eaten by a spider, that was eaten by something else and so on. I think it ended with a fat lady eating an elephant.

So where on the chart do you fall? What are you willing to kill, and not kill?

Would you kill a fly? How about a spider, a frog, a cat, a dog, a raccoon?

We have people out there that denigrate beekeepers because we kill mites off our bees. Some would call these people idiots. Then the earlier called idiot beekeepers, call someone killing bees idiots? And the next thing you know, we have people all calling each other idiots.

We get all sensitive over bees. And I could show you people who get all emotional over killing pigs and chickens. Dogs and cats. Some people raise rabbits to eat, while others spend hundreds of dollars to bury the family pet rabbit.

And we even have a group of people who have no problem killing other human beings.

But ah...yes. We get all emotional over some bees being killed, while we have no problem killing and eating other things.

I can handle each and every group of people out there. I just wish each group would not point fingers and denigrate others who happen to view things differently.

I've seen Billy release raccoons, while can find posts on this site where people freely admit the pleasure at killing them. But oh boy....kill some bees, and this guy is an idiot. And yes, that was what the original "idiot" comment probably was about.

As for Billy's other thoughts and comments, I've seen worse. And I have seen worse here on this forum. But I think going around calling people idiots is a tad lower than what we could do.

Why is Cher an idiot? Or do you just dissagree with her politically?
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Tommyt on November 05, 2010, 01:26:22 pm
Oh G3...your being reasonable.  :roll:

I haven't even gotten to the signature quoting scripture
and suggesting prayer for the president....from the guy who
goes around calling others "JACK HOLE!"

 :lau:

Ok, ok....I'll let it go....... :-D

 

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Blessings :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: hardwood on November 05, 2010, 01:34:15 pm
I personally think that the lady who swallowed an elephant (and subsequently died from doing so) was an idiot :-D

Scott
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: G3farms on November 05, 2010, 01:34:55 pm
BJ this one is just for you then, enjoy (it should bring a smile to your face)

Pray For You w/ lyrics- Jaron and the Long Road To Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rn041uWncU#)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 01:49:24 pm
Oh G3...your being reasonable.  :roll:

I haven't even gotten to the signature quoting scripture
and suggesting prayer for the president....from the guy who
goes around calling others "JACK HOLE!"

 :lau:

Ok, ok....I'll let it go....... :-D

 

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Blessings :mrgreen:

It's not the scripture that has character flaws. But is always the messenger(s) using the scripture....

My character flaw is probably based on those that use the scripture, for their own amusing, while portraying no qualities of what those scriptures teach. It brings out a certain side of me. Maybe it was my upbringing sitting watching every Sunday those that portrayed one thing inside the church doors, yet were different the rest of the time.

Blessings to you also. May you be enlightened as you learn more about the scriptures.  ;) Perhaps you will find a time when calling others a JACK HOLE, something in conflict with the values contained IN the scriptures.

Peace.

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 01:49:58 pm
I personally think that the lady who swallowed an elephant (and subsequently died from doing so) was an idiot :-D

Scott

 :lau:

Now if you were sitting next to me and could actually see I was joking,
I think I feel a "Yo Mama!" joke coming on.  :-D
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Tommyt on November 05, 2010, 04:27:16 pm

BJB
   The Bee season is just about over up your way, maybe you are going through some anxiety with the lack of things to do,
or is it your Fresh out of Important things to POST.
 I think last week it was Michael Bush and no matter what he said wouldn't Calm you.
I don't remember how or if it ended ,However I am not MB, I don't play Tag.
 I made my Post about Chicken Feathers,
It stands.
  I hope your Problems ,I won't play your target, this is the WWW , two or more trading words,
is as good as 2 worms in a Mud slide (not worth the Read)
 I'm done, I shouldn't have made the second Post.
Go ahead
Make yourself feel better.









Oh G3...your being reasonable.  :roll:

I haven't even gotten to the signature quoting scripture
and suggesting prayer for the president....from the guy who
goes around calling others "JACK HOLE!"

 :lau:

Ok, ok....I'll let it go....... :-D

 

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Blessings :mrgreen:

It's not the scripture that has character flaws. But is always the messenger(s) using the scripture....

My character flaw is probably based on those that use the scripture, for their own amusing, while portraying no qualities of what those scriptures teach. It brings out a certain side of me. Maybe it was my upbringing sitting watching every Sunday those that portrayed one thing inside the church doors, yet were different the rest of the time.

Blessings to you also. May you be enlightened as you learn more about the scriptures.  ;) Perhaps you will find a time when calling others a JACK HOLE, something in conflict with the values contained IN the scriptures.

Peace.

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 05, 2010, 04:41:57 pm
Just what I figured...... :roll:
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Scadsobees on November 05, 2010, 11:41:08 pm
Heh...I could care less if the guy wants to kill a hive.  Or a raccoon.  They can be pests either way.  But throw on black leather chaps and black leather jacket and a black feather boa to attack a hive, then say you know so much about bees because of magnetism and poles? HAHAHAHAAHAAA! What do monarchs have to do with extermination???  Definitely deserves to fill out an id-10-T form.

FYI...I detest Cher because she's an entertainer...willing to flaunt her body, sell her life, family, and soul for money and popularity.  Even if she sings nice.  I only brought her up because I read her profanity laced interview on a magazine site recently, saying all sorts of stupid stuff while criticizing somebody else for being her polar opposite.  But then again there are very few people in the entertainment industry that I have any respect for.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Mason on November 09, 2010, 05:10:08 pm
The original idiot here...... (please reference the profile picture)

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kill some bees, and this guy is an idiot. And yes, that was what the original "idiot" comment probably was about.

The show is entertaining and that's why I knew to post it.  Many if not most of all entertainers are in fact idiots and is what makes them entertaining in the first place.  Who else but an idiot would put on a black leather trench coat in the deep south?  Maybe I was being a little rough on ole Billy.  It's obvious that bees are not Billy's specialty but it doesn't make him an idiot......the cloths do. 

My point was that he is visible to the main stream and was mis-informing people on bees in at least this segment.  He even said, "first we need to determine if these are African bees".  I didn't know he had the proper genetic testing equipment for that.  As hobby beekeepers and as was mentioned before that post educating people around us is the best PR.

Maybe we should reach out to Billy.  He seems like a nice enough guy with good intent.     
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 09, 2010, 06:16:52 pm
I understand what you saying.

But I also think perhaps we are micro-picking the comments from Billy..

Whenever you go up to a feral colony or swarm, do you not assess the situation?

I think Billy commenting that for his protocol, that "first we must determine if these bees are Africanized bees", was spot on for the situation.

What's wrong with his comment? I ask the homeowner all kind of questions before I do anything with a swarm or cutout. How long have they been there. Are they dry and angry, or did they just land?

And you can bet 100% if I was in AHB areas, that I would be trying to determine if these bees were AHBs. I don't think Billy was actually referring to testing for AHBs. But perhaps trying to determine if they displayed the characteristic of AHB. That way after assessing the situation, a game plan can be formulated.

Remember, you just see Billy on tape. But there is a bunch of supporting crew and other folks right off camera. You don't think it best to try to test the waters and get an idea if these are AHB and whether they will go ballistic? I think Billy did exactly what he should of done. And whatever comments were made about determining if they were AHB, were spot on for everyone's safety and concern.

Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: David McLeod on November 10, 2010, 10:43:14 am


Personally, I wonder if any beekeepers ever had contacted Billy about taking out bees or helping with removals. We can't go around thinking every person out there should save bees or think as we do. And if the local beekeepers have not stepped up to educate, assist, and help save bees, then I think we have no right to denigrate others.

I know if I lived close to Billy, I'd be hooking up with him whenever I could to remove bees.  ;)

I think many look at others and instead of being proactive and positive, we denigrate and become judgemental. I do not know Billy personally. But I think his heart may be in the right place. a bit misinformed, but good just the same.

Ok, G3...did that sound better.  ;)

Don't bother. He has been contacted by several members of NWCOA (National Wildlife Control Operators Association, of which I am a professional member and state representative) with offers to help him learn the right and legal methods plus he was given an invite to our annual convention in New Orleans this year. his response was less than polite and he went on to publicly ridicule us and all professionals on his fansite.
I refuse to watch the idiot due to my blood pressure. He not only displays total stupidity in his methods and complete ignorance the basic biology of wildlife but also openly violates the laws of his state yet for whatever reason the powers that be can not act to shut down this law breaker.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 10, 2010, 11:39:39 am


Personally, I wonder if any beekeepers ever had contacted Billy about taking out bees or helping with removals. We can't go around thinking every person out there should save bees or think as we do. And if the local beekeepers have not stepped up to educate, assist, and help save bees, then I think we have no right to denigrate others.

I know if I lived close to Billy, I'd be hooking up with him whenever I could to remove bees.  ;)

I think many look at others and instead of being proactive and positive, we denigrate and become judgemental. I do not know Billy personally. But I think his heart may be in the right place. a bit misinformed, but good just the same.

Ok, G3...did that sound better.  ;)

Don't bother. He has been contacted by several members of NWCOA (National Wildlife Control Operators Association, of which I am a professional member and state representative) with offers to help him learn the right and legal methods plus he was given an invite to our annual convention in New Orleans this year. his response was less than polite and he went on to publicly ridicule us and all professionals on his fansite.
I refuse to watch the idiot due to my blood pressure. He not only displays total stupidity in his methods and complete ignorance the basic biology of wildlife but also openly violates the laws of his state yet for whatever reason the powers that be can not act to shut down this law breaker.

Can you list some of his violations?

I've know some exterminators, and some are not even close to being environmentally friendly. And I doubt if everyone in your organization is also.

So beyond his rebuttal of being part of your "club", what specifics are you talking about? Is he not properly licensed? What is he doing in breaking the law?

There is another thread about Douglas bee farm. And many other threads about bee companies. And although I'll open the door to illegal crap going on all day long, I am very hesitant to point fingers and call people out. And when I see one professional call out another that are in the same business, little red flags go up. Consumers can relate all day their experiences. But one breeder crapping on another, or one exterminator crapping on another.....just deep down inside is wrong in my book.

I'm not asking about large statewide organizations contacting Billy. I have no problems with those that do not want to play politics and fester in the mud slinging and egos of such organizations. My question was about local beekeepers who may be way more inclined to build a relationship with Billy and Vexcon, instead of the larger organizations and judgemental people that seem to flourish in those organizations.

So what is Billy doing wrong that you claim?

I'm not a exterminator, so you will have to excuse my ignorance on the matter of what poison he does or does not use correctly? Or whether relocating animals is against the law. I do not know.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: rdy-b on November 10, 2010, 02:39:13 pm
  billy claims to be certified ENTOMOLOGIST and clams he can therefore-leagaly practice the exterminator
trade in all 50 states without taking a test---in cali we have applicators- and we have applicators for hire
I have never heard about the ENTOMOLOGIST angel- :? RDY-B
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 10, 2010, 04:23:29 pm
 billy claims to be certified ENTOMOLOGIST and clams he can therefore-leagaly practice the exterminator
trade in all 50 states without taking a test---in cali we have applicators- and we have applicators for hire
I have never heard about the ENTOMOLOGIST angel- :? RDY-B

And that has what to do with Louisiana? I have no clue the law where Billy operates, but my guess is it could be different than wacky California.

Speaking of California, a few years back, I had to send out along on a trip, to be hand carried by a family member, a chimney cap, and a blue light for a water UV system.

Seems in California, you can not install the chimney cap, which is TWO bolts, without being a licensed card carrying member of the local union. Same for the UV blue light.

Californians may pride themselves, and brag about all the controlling laws out there in the land of bankruptcy and government reliance. Around here, we frown upon that stuff.

Of course, just today, they outlawed toys in Happy Meals in Cali. Californians must feel really good about themselves.

Me.....I'll support any person in the right to make a living, put money on their table, and skirt the nonsense legislation and controlling laws we have all across this land. If Billy found loophole, good for him. I'm tired of bring micromanaged as to my everyday dealings by government.

MORE POWER TO BILLY!  :-D
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: Tommyt on November 10, 2010, 05:01:05 pm
rdy-b, David Mc, and the others
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Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 10, 2010, 05:28:59 pm
Of course tommyt, I would expect nothing less.

I know it would never bother a person like you that David comes on here and flings accusations towards another person claiming they are breaking the law, then when questioned about it, slinks away from the issue.

Just don't go crying down the street this time claiming you are taking your ball and going home, while slinging a last jab, as you pronounce your clean from the mud, as you crawl from the pit.  :roll:

So far, nobody has clearly stated what laws Billy is breaking. But we have innuendos and claims from others perhaps aghast from being rejected by a membership into an organization, and one from California who claims Billy is an entomologist but never really said if that is the law or not.

So far, I see some ego and perhaps jealousy at play. Oh, and your comments coming from a humorous nature.

Thanks for the laugh.

Why is this so funny for others? If someone is going to make claims towards another person, then I think having someone ask for additional information is natural. Not that hard to undersand.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: rdy-b on November 10, 2010, 05:39:00 pm
 thats a pretty broad brush you paint with- :shock:  sorry about your luck in cali -can we get this thing all straighten out --by simply having Billy do a removal of a real AHB colony-or do you think they would have to get a real beekeeper-I dont think Billy would accept the challenge-like clint eastwood once said everyones got to know there own limations -and i am sure Billy knows his-and to show i am a nice guy i will do the removal of AHB-IN proper fashion
KILLER BEES INDEED--RDY-B  8-)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 10, 2010, 05:56:19 pm
thats a pretty broad brush you paint with- :shock:  sorry about your luck in cali -can we get this thing all straighten out --by simply having Billy do a removal of a real AHB colony-or do you think they would have to get a real beekeeper-I dont think Billy would accept the challenge-like clint eastwood once said everyones got to know there own limations -and i am sure Billy knows his-and to show i am a nice guy i will do the removal of AHB-IN proper fashion
KILLER BEES INDEED--RDY-B  8-)

Nothing wrong with a broad brush, if it hits the intended target. Personally, I think that is one of those rather over used comments that should be retired.

If you watched the show, you would know that they do have bees suits, and have used them in the past for some rather aggressive bees. Perhaps this is where others get confused between showmanship and reality television, and what may happen when the camera is turned off. I bet everyone on here belittling Billy, would do things a tad different if a crew was following you everyday trying to make a hit program. Well, I guess some of you might not. Of course that is why you don't have a hit show, and Billy does.... :roll:

I bet in front of the camera, Billy picks up more snakes barehanded, and a host of others things that he normally wouldn't do. I know I would. And I bet you would too.  :roll:

Difference is, I understand the show behind the show. While others get caught up on his attire as if they are fashion experts. Everyone I have ever talked too loves the show. And the leather, the attire, and the quirky comments and personalities all go into the show.

I bet some of you would be down right boring if you ever a chance to have a show.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: rdy-b on November 10, 2010, 06:08:37 pm
  one thing comes to mind you say BILLYS show- but perhaps he is just a puppet and is at the description of
a team of producers and financial backers-or do you rely think he calls the shots-I have never seen the show- but i have watched his you tube vids-so i cant rely comment on the show-just the vids-maybe i will see him on the news -but i dont think so  :) RDY-B
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: David McLeod on November 10, 2010, 09:40:04 pm
I shall retract the lawbreaker statement as I can not get verification as to the specific regulations regarding relocation of RVS (rabies vector species) in Louisiana. I do have from at least three colleagues of mine from that state that it is illegal to do so. I may be wrong as I can not find the regulations pertaining to NWCO activities in that state other than relocated animals do require the written permission of the landowner upon whose land the animal is released.
Now I make no pretense that I do not like this clown Billy. He is an idiot of the first magnitude and a blight upon my chosen profession. A pure opportunistic huckster making a buck off of the misfortunes of his neighbors. Not that we NWCOs shouldn't recieve just recompense as any professional service provider should but that his false information and grandstanding ways just adds to the almost overwhelming burden we face daily trying to teach the general public in the sound biological principles wildlife management.
Bjorn, no slinking here. I work for a living and at best can check in from time to time on my BB until I can return home to post my rebuttals. To say that the pleasure of my day was not added to upon being called a slinker would be putting it mildly. a couple hundred more miles on the truck today and I get called a slinker, shame on you.
Back to the idiot, Billy not my accuser, do we as lovers of the ladies of the nectar really want someone in a feather boa being the spokesman for apiculture. I would hope not. Nor would we or I in my dual capacity as a beek and NWCO want his methods promulgated to the vast unsuspecting uniformed public as to the proper way to deal with stinging insects. Fortunately I have great faith in my fellow man and I seriously doubt I will be losing to much business to the leather chaps crowd. What has only been barely touched upon is the whole safety factor of his operations. Just what if that colony of honeybees had been full AHB or even one of our gentle EHB on a bad hair day. Where was his safety zone, had he advised the clients to vacate the area, I assume his camera crew was suited up but I never observed in that episode even a modicum of safety protocol. What I did see was a fool running and screaming after creating a situation where his own actions caused a stinging incident. Not only very unprofessional but not the image we want for those that may someday be asked to vote on matters pertaining to those things that we love. Overall the fool is a menace to society.
I shall further add claims of his ignorance by pointing out other episodes of his where I find fault. In the vein of honeybees did you see the one where he took his brother in to dea with them ALL THE WHILE KNOWING THAT HIS BROTHER HAS AN ALLERGY TO BEE VENOM. But then again that may not have anything at all to do with professionalism, it may be personal. BTW, has anyone seen the brother lately? How did he fare on those drug charges? It was a shame though that he and his ex wife had such a falling out on national TV. I'm sorry but the whole low rent white trash theme disgusts me. But I digress. In another episode he makes the spurious claim that beaver somehow use their dam to collect food, I won't bore you you beaver biology 101 but that is just so much horse apples. In the very same episode he attempts to manually capture a bever by ripping open it's lodge from the top, I guess he missed that big exit hole under the waterline. But never fear our hero set a cage trap baited with carrots and we all just know how much beaver love the tasty tree bark on those carrots, right. Then after who knows how much personal effort our zero gets to release mr beaver from the cage, WITH a SNARE MARK ON IT (the beaver not the cage), into a lovely habitat full of other beavers that will welcome it with open arms and bare teeth and claw. To delve even further one must touch on his lovely handling skills with the skunks. Like a good fart joke our hero somehow manages to pull off this sort of slapstick not to mention contaminating his clients premises which in my world means a deodorizing job ON MY DIME FOR CAUSING SUCH a STINK. But then again what do I know, I only advertise ODOR FREE REMOVAL and have never done a free of charge deodorizing. But his herpetogical knowledge is always worth the plug nickel for admission. Like Copperfield he can make copperheads appear where only moments before there was a moccasin or is that the other way around. Water snakes and moccasins are of no import to him they are all the same.
Well I shall end this here as I was about to slip into pet species Chiroptera and can not continue in this vein without sliding into the very coarse vernacular. So I bid you adieu on this thread, maybe we can take it up elswhere but for now stick a fork in me I'm done.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: AllenF on November 10, 2010, 09:50:23 pm
Well said.
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: BjornBee on November 10, 2010, 10:16:00 pm
I shall retract the lawbreaker statement as I can not get verification as to the specific regulations regarding relocation of RVS (rabies vector species) in Louisiana. I do have from at least three colleagues of mine from that state that it is illegal to do so. I may be wrong as I can not find the regulations pertaining to NWCO activities in that state other than relocated animals do require the written permission of the landowner upon whose land the animal is released.

I'll shorten your quote....Anything beyond that is exactly what I thought it was. And I think for you to continue on your hateful rant of another person, while not being able to back up your original unsubstantiated claims, is digging a deeper pit. I find your sincerity in regards to Billy and his concern for his brother a bit overblown and disingenuous. I've never heard of another person care so much about what another person does. And somewhere there is an appropriate song that is on the tip of my tongue.  ;)

Earlier, you stated that Billy bashed you and others on his fanline. And I keep asking myself, especially after your acknowledgement and retracting of lawbreaking claims, why is what you are doing any different.

Yes, I agree. Perhaps this ALL needs to end.  ;)
Title: Re: Don't know if ya'll have heard . . . Looks like AHB have entered GA for sure. :(
Post by: buzzbee on November 11, 2010, 07:37:08 am
I think this thread has far outlived its useful purpose.You guys are working your way into an endless spiral that we do I do not like the direction of. As winter sets in,we will all be getting cabin fever in the Northern hemisphere.
And I would suggest all bent on name calling and attacking one another go re read this thread at the very top of page one of the forum:

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,19652.0.html (http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,19652.0.html)

Remember,this forum is provided as a place to exchange ideas and experience. It is not a democracy,and as such,the rules of the forum shall be enforced as the staff deems appropriate.
 If you missed it the first time,read here:

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,19652.0.html (http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,19652.0.html)