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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => RAPID BEEYARD GROWTH => Topic started by: lisnnbeerawhoney on March 23, 2012, 05:14:12 PM

Title: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: lisnnbeerawhoney on March 23, 2012, 05:14:12 PM
 :bee: anybody had any luck with using lemon grass to catch bee swarms?  I tryied last year didnt have much luck.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on March 24, 2012, 01:22:47 AM
Move your bait hives.  It's just like fishing.  You have to find a good place...
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: SerenityApiaries on March 24, 2012, 03:35:43 AM
Where would one get lemon grass? I"m not sure if Oregon has lemon grass. I have a swarm attractant that I ordered but I have seen JP in his videos use lemon grass.

Khalen
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on March 24, 2012, 05:12:11 AM
Lemongrass Essential Oil is available from most places that sell essential oils.  That's what you want.  The lures you buy will do as well but cost a lot more.

Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: SerenityApiaries on March 24, 2012, 05:19:49 AM
Lemon grass it is then.  :)
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on March 24, 2012, 07:27:22 AM
You can get it from a lot of the bee suppliers and even on Amazon...
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Intheswamp on March 24, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
Whether it matters or not, there are two varieties of LGO commonly found, Cymbopogon citratus and Cymbopogon flexuosus.  Apparently both varieties work as swarm lures, but I get the impression that Cymbopogon citratus is the one you really want.  It is actually stated as coming from "lemon grass" whereas Cymbopogon flexuosus is stated as coming from the Cochin or Malabar grasses.

Ed
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: lisnnbeerawhoney on March 24, 2012, 11:05:39 PM
my wife works at local heath foods store  thats where I bought mine at.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: kathyp on March 24, 2012, 11:22:04 PM
ebay stores. 
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on March 24, 2012, 11:38:53 PM
Whichever has more citral would work better...
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: tedlemay on March 25, 2012, 03:11:11 PM
Great info guys!!
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: SerenityApiaries on March 26, 2012, 04:36:28 AM
Definitely good info to have.  Thanks.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: bzzigi on March 29, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
Hi all,
had anybody any success using lemon balm (Melissa officinalis) instead of lemon grass?

Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on March 31, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
>had anybody any success using lemon balm (Melissa officinalis) instead of lemon grass?

I have heard it works, I have not tried it.  It contains some citral.  Lemongrass oil sems to be the more proven method.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Jonat on April 08, 2012, 07:44:53 PM
The nasonov pheromone contains a variety of scents, including citral compounds (lemony scent) and geraniols (rose scent). The standard synthetic pheromone is 2 parts citral to 1 part geraniol. Not sure if a rose geranium oil works, it is loaded with geraniols, but my nose is not as discriminating as that of a bee's.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: saperica on April 28, 2012, 12:00:22 PM
i use a melisa officinalis branches and leaves to atract swarm, my college have some esential oil that he produce.
this year i got some swarm atractant wipes from vita europe so i will try..
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Lavy Garcia on January 18, 2013, 02:56:19 AM
I had no experience of it.Let me know that what was your experience of it,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: saperica on January 18, 2013, 04:35:40 AM
this is my expirience, i am a voulonter for "beekeeping watch of city zagreb", allways is Mellisa branches and Vita Swarm wipw whit me.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: pr1zZ on February 07, 2013, 09:14:35 AM
best for swarms old frame with honeycombs, black WHISOUT HONEY! If will be honey it is will be very bad!
Title: Re: Regarding location?
Post by: Sundog on February 07, 2013, 11:29:41 AM
How far off the ground is my question. 

I have one trap about a foot off the ground (on a friends patio), and another in a tree 15 feet up in my backyard.

My friend lives in an area where I once worked and witnessed several feral hives over the years, so I thought it to be a good location.

Before I kept bees, I had a homemade cedar birdhouse in the tree where I now have the trap in my backyard.  The birdhouse eventually fell to the ground and then bees moved into it.

So is one location better than another, or is it just a crapshoot?

Having fun!
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on February 07, 2013, 11:37:44 AM
Ideal height is probably quite a ways up.  I try to put them as high as I can reach from a small 6 foot step ladder and they seem to work fine.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: sawdstmakr on February 07, 2013, 12:56:28 PM
I try to reach the 15' up a tree and put a hook with a pulley and rope on it. That way I only have to climb a ladder 1 time. This way I can pull the trap up and if need be drop it down to replace the lemon grass baggie. I screw a hook into the trunk to give me a place to hold the rope.
Under one trap I have 2 hives that were caught above it, last year, and slowly lowered down. They face opposite directions. Then when they were ready I changed them for full 10 frame hives. I have another hive in my neighbors yard that we did the same thing. I just brought the traps back out, a week ago, because I am seeing a lot of drones.
Jim
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: redhat on February 22, 2013, 01:33:46 PM
I have planted lemon grass in my backyard and any time there is a swarm I just cut a bundle and rub it all over a nuc, the bees all come the nuc in a minute. This works for me every time.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: fshrgy99 on February 22, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
got mine at the health food store too :)
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Moots on February 22, 2013, 08:36:59 PM
got mine at the health food store too :)


Same here...About 6 bucks for an ounce at the local health food store, and it was the better of the two varieties (100% citral)....Didn't think that was bad at all.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Bee-Mover on November 22, 2013, 09:12:18 PM
Lemon Grass essential oil work?
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Leather Jim on December 08, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
Yep, that's the stuff
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Jim 134 on December 18, 2013, 10:59:14 PM
Lemon Grass essential oil work?
This is my experience with lemon grass oil
If you use lemon grass oil do not use more than three drops if you use too much lemon grass oil it will drive the bee's away. You can renew about every three to four weeks.  The second dose I always one drop.


                       BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Cedar Hill on January 23, 2014, 05:59:13 PM
    I have used swarm traps with success every year, using lemongrass oil.   Cut a large party straw into 3" segments, fill them with a cotton ball or two imbued with lemongrass oil.   Staple it to the bottom several inches from the small two inch entrance.    It works.   ;)
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: MikeTheBeekeeper on February 01, 2014, 02:43:25 PM
This is my experience with lemon grass oil
If you use lemon grass oil do not use more than three drops if you use too much lemon grass oil it will drive the bee's away. You can renew about every three to four weeks.  The second dose I always one drop.


                       BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

Thanks for the information. Do you apply the drops to the entrance of the hive? Or frames inside?

I have many hives I can't use this year (trying to get all my hives on pallets and I have many with a bottom board built in), so I figured I can use them for swarms. A beekeeper places 1,000 hives here in the spring, I've caught several swarms I've been able to see from his bees.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: jayj200 on February 17, 2014, 09:08:56 AM
Down here before I started beeking I saw 4 different colonies in the water valve boxes. (all over the place)
trapping on the ground sounds good to me.
also I hear any places you have seen swarms before.
I will say this sounds like good advice.
4 swarms in the same tree out front 4 years in a row
after we started keeping bees 3 more swarms too high up in the tree 25 feet high, no ladders that tall
i must say those 3 were our wayward bees

jay

2 drops of lemon grass oil is not enough. 5 maybe too many
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: jayj200 on February 17, 2014, 09:46:45 AM
on the ground here
in water valve boxes down here
hum earth equals insulation.
OH!
jay

wow were down here in south florida I feel like a stailion at the gate. can'bt wait.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Jim 134 on February 18, 2014, 06:04:49 PM


Thanks for the information. Do you apply the drops to the entrance of the hive? Or frames inside?


 Inside on the top of the frame

There is another way you can do this get a small pill bottle the kind you get from the pharmacy put it in cotton ball  it will take about 3 to 5 cotton balls to fill up the bottle put in eight or ten drops now drill a small hole in the top of the bottle the smallest you can find in a drill index will work fine this will last about a month take the bottle and duct tape it to the top of the trap or on the high side hope this helps you



                          BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: MikeTheBeekeeper on February 19, 2014, 12:36:49 AM
Thank you Jim.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: sawdstmakr on February 20, 2014, 12:19:53 PM
on the ground here
in water valve boxes down here
hum earth equals insulation.
OH!
jay

wow were down here in south florida I feel like a stailion at the gate. can'bt wait.
Keep one thing in mind. Those ground boxes are a favorite hive location for African Bees. Not so much european bees.
Jim
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: jayj200 on February 20, 2014, 10:25:35 PM
tried it kind of sort of no luck
 
my mentor has caught many swarms using this method. "no need for queen lure".

my mentor down hea says "one or two drops is just not enough".

Kevin said " ya want to catch fish bait the hook well".

"use old comb for queen sent"

then on the inside of the box. "5 drops on the right side, 5 drops on the left side, and 5 drops on the inside top".

 "all these applications made while that side or top is down. allowing the drops to absorb into the wood.
so as not to run or drip".

" put the nuc box together then set the trap".

jay
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Packrat3wires on August 24, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
Lemon grass worked well for me this year in Kentucky.   More than 50% success rate with my trap hives!!!
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: jayj200 on August 29, 2014, 05:17:13 PM
add some old comb to that
and you should have an attractive swarm box
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: capt44 on August 31, 2014, 01:13:42 AM
I use Lemon Grass Essential Oil.
I get it from http://www.bulkapothecary.com/ (http://www.bulkapothecary.com/)
I give $13.59 for a 16 ounce container which I will say will last a long time.
I am using the pressed fiber pots for swarm traps.
I glue a piece of old comb inside and alittle dab of lemon grass oil.
I only hang mine about 6 or 7 feet off the ground.
I put out 18 traps in town and have caught 19 swarms so far.
I had a total of 39 traps out.
The tornado back in April got some but I have caught in every trap.
The traps I used the pheromone attractant in never caught anything.
I still have 8 traps to bring in full of bees.
Here is a picture of of a couple.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/capt44/SwarmTrap5_zps6d2a7524.jpg)
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/capt44/swarmtrap7_zpsc1dd38c7.jpg)
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: sawdstmakr on August 31, 2014, 07:31:16 AM
Thanks Capt.
That is a great price for 16 oz. I just bought 2-2 oz bottles, on amazon, for more than that.
They have every oil essence there is.
Jim
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: LowCountryTopBars on January 26, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
Thanks Capt.
That is a great price for 16 oz. I just bought 2-2 oz bottles, on amazon, for more than that.
They have every oil essence there is.
Jim
Great post Capp. Thanks
Move your bait hives.  It's just like fishing.  You have to find a good place...


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Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: damienpryan on November 11, 2016, 02:56:23 AM
I've found putting bait hives on top of hot water systems works well.
(Caution N=1).
The idea being that the heat from a gas hot water system keeps the lemongrass vapour in the air.
Also maybe the bees like a slightly warming hive ?

Cheers

Damien
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Dallasbeek on December 05, 2016, 07:52:14 PM
I have a huge amount of lemongrass, so I googled making lemongrass oil.  One place I looked, it listed the things I'd need to make lemongrass oil and the list included a wine press.  I googled wine presses and they cost hundreds of dollars.

Yeah, I'm going to spend $300 for a wine press to make lemongrass oil?  Not real likely.

Gotta be a better way.  Hope this is amusing to somebody.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Acebird on December 06, 2016, 08:39:11 AM
Hammer.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: sawdstmakr on December 06, 2016, 12:24:41 PM
I have tried to make lemongrass oil last year. Smashed the stems and put them in a jar with (I think ) alcohol and oil. It did not work.
Jim
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: jimineycricket on December 06, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
Here they raise mint and when they harvest it for the oil, it is chopped into a large enclosed trailer and then steam is forced through it.  Then the oil comes out.  I don't know what kind of apparatus you could use.  Perhaps, you could use a canning juicer/steamer with the three compartments--one for the lemongrass, one for water, and one to catch the oil.  We use one to juice berries and grapes on the stovetop.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: tycrnp on May 16, 2017, 12:50:47 AM
We have had great success with putting a small piece of comb between the middle frames and a few drops of lemongrass oil.  We got 1 swarm in 2 days and a 2nd swarm in 24 hours!
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Bush_84 on May 20, 2017, 10:32:10 AM
I have a bunch of pipettes.

https://www.amazon.com/Plastic-Transfer-Pipettes-Gradulated-Pack/dp/B005IQTSE0

I put some lemongrass oil in them and then seal the end. I'm pretty sure I got the idea off of here. I just use a lighter and heat the plastic. Pull and it seals pretty well. I try to squeeze the air out of the pipette before I do so. I made these up a couple of months ago and it still smells nice.
Title: Re: LEMON GRASS TO CATCH SWARMS?
Post by: Michael Bush on May 23, 2017, 12:25:34 PM
I've started putting more LGO near the entrance on the outside than on the inside.  No more than four drops inside.  A little more near the entrance on the outside can catch their attention without running them out of the box.